We could debate that at length. There is one thing I don't understand. If you are not even persuaded that the problem is refugees, why has your colleague at Public Safety only included measures relating to the part of the IRPA dealing with refugees? Clearly it is refugees who are targeted; it isn't even the smugglers? There are a few provisions at the end, maybe three, maybe fewer, that relate to minimum sentences. We could debate it at length. Nonetheless, the nub of Bill C-49 does not target smugglers or immigrants, it clearly targets refugees who might arrive in these boats.
The human smuggler who is paid to do the job, who brings people to Canada illegally, as you contend, how does it punish them, for the person they bring to Canada to be imprisoned for no reason and with no review of their case for a year? That doesn't take anything away from that person.