Evidence of meeting #7 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was applications.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Avvy Yao-Yao Go  Clinic Director, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic
Amy Casipullai  Coordinator, Policy and Public Education, Ontario Council of Agencies Serving Immigrants (OCASI)
Wilfrid MacKinnon  Local President, Citizenship and Immigration (Sydney), Canada Employment and Immigration Union
Jeannette Meunier-McKay  National President, Canada Employment and Immigration Union
Claudette Deschênes  Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Paul Armstrong  Director General, Centralized Processing Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

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Bloc

Thierry St-Cyr Bloc Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

So you're saying there's not really any flexibility in Mississauga. Financial standards are set, but, on the spot, there couldn't be any more flexibility and potential income from the other spouse who has stayed home for the children cannot be taken into account, for example.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

That's correct.

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Bloc

Thierry St-Cyr Bloc Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Consequently, if cases are presented to us in our constituencies, we can tell people that. We can tell them that the case will be referred to the country of origin. They can talk to officials there because they know it's an official policy.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

That's correct.

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Bloc

Thierry St-Cyr Bloc Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

I have perhaps a final question. How much time do I have left?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

You have less than a minute.

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Bloc

Thierry St-Cyr Bloc Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

In that case, never mind, because my question is too long.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Go ahead, Ms. Chow.

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Thank you.

Could you give me a ballpark figure for how many full-time staff you have, including both regional staff and staff who are working abroad?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

I suppose I should know that, but I really don't.

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

We are talking about staffing levels.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

I thought we were talking about--

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Staffing levels.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

--processing times. Sorry, I may not have--

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Are we not talking about staffing levels? I think we are.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

Well, we can talk about Sydney in terms of staffing levels, but I don't have it in total--

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

You don't have the total.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

I think that--

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Am I not correct? I just did a--

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

I hope you have it.

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

I do, actually.

If you compare the full-time staffing numbers for 1997 for regional staff and staff abroad with the numbers for 2009, there seems to be a drop. Now, I could be wrong; I don't know. We'll research this later on, but my impression is that there hasn't been a total recovery from the cuts that were inflicted in the mid-1990s, and that's one of the reasons there is a lot of backlog.

If we can't get into that area, then we can just focus on the number of staff in Sydney. When they started doing the initial assessment of federal skilled workers, was the number of people increased in that area, or was it just an add-on?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

No, we added resources to do that.

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Okay. How many were there, as a ballpark figure? You can provide that number later if you don't have it.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

As well, a 10- or 15-year tracking of the staffing levels to see whether they have gone up or down or stayed flat would be helpful. It's hard to talk about wait times, whether it's in Sydney, whether it's PR cards or citizenship or landed immigrant sponsorship....