Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'm going to follow up on Minister Kenney's comments from his last appearance. He says that detention and a five-year ban on permanent residency or family reunification are not penalties, and that they're merely not granting privileges to certain claimants.
Punishment is different from withholding privileges. Why does the minister say that it's not punishment when it is manifestly harmful to refugee claimants and intended, in the minister's words, to deter asylum seekers from arriving in groups? Do any of you want to comment?
Mr. Linklater.