—from all over the place. That's what I'm saying, and they're just like Mr. Leung, and Rathika's family as well.
But what I really want us to focus on here is the human element. I've never lived in a refugee camp. I'm very grateful for that. But I've read and seen enough and worked with enough children who've lived in refugee camps to know that we, as Canadians, cannot forget our humanity in some kind of bogus quest to think we can fix what's going on in other countries. If there is fraud, let's go after it, and let's do it in a way that targets those who commit fraud and not the victims.
I know I'm running out of time, but when you come across the people you work with, Francisco and Debbie, can you give us a brief human landscape of the kinds of situations they've left behind when they've come here seeking asylum?