It's very expensive.
By the way, Jack Manion, who was deputy minister of immigration and secretary of the Treasury Board—he's now deceased—estimated before a Senate committee that the whole system costs us several billion dollars a year.
The kind of problem we have is illustrated by a spike we had in Argentinian claimants in 2001. Thousands of Argentinians came in, claimed refugee status at the border, started collecting welfare, took a two-month holiday, and then returned to Argentina. That's an extreme case, but this is the kind of problem we're facing. We've had spikes of people from Turkey, from Trinidad, from Portugal, from all sorts of places where consultants learn that Canada is a sitting duck in the refugee system.
So I think we have to establish safe countries of origin, certainly, and I would also recommend safe third countries. Most of our claimants come from or often through European countries, where they should have made their claim. So we need two things to slow this down.