Okay.
I think there are some good parts to this bill that have to be supported, but my concern is that it doesn't go far enough. This new bill will not work unless it has a system for screening out, at the front end, those people who obviously are not refugees and who do not have the right to claim because they have protection in the country they're coming from.
If you don't send refugees back literally within 48 hours, or asylum seekers within 48 hours, you've got them for good. That's why we've become the target of choice for human smuggling. The smugglers can guarantee that even if you're turned down at the board, you're in. We send very few back.
We're detaining more now, as Madame Nakache has said, and I agree with a great deal of what she said. We should have detention quarters rather than jails to detain these people. But if you don't send them back quickly, you're doomed.
As a final thing, in 1999 there was an excellent report by Lucienne Robillard, the then the minister, called Not Just Numbers. I think the immigration department would do your committee a great service if they could take the chapters from that report dealing with protection and distribute them to the members of the committee. Had we followed that report's recommendations, we would have been in the forefront of countries and a leader in helping refugees around the world, and in dealing fairly, as well, with asylum seekers.
Thank you.