In the case of the Roma people in eastern Europe, I've served in the Balkans in eastern Europe, which has a large Roma population. Clearly they are being discriminated against, but discrimination is not persecution. If you start considering everybody who is discriminated against in their own country as refugees, you're in very serious trouble. There are 20 million untouchables in India. They're discriminated against. The only reason they're not coming here and applying before the board is that they don't have the money.
The Roma people have Roma members of Parliament in Hungary, and they have Roma members of the European Parliament. The laws in Hungary and the Czech Republic are as strong as ours, and they're protected by the human rights conventions of the European community. They're not coming here because they're refugees. They're coming here because in Hungary they get the rough equivalent of $500 a month for welfare. They can barely live on that, but it gets them by because in Hungary it's not bad. But they get here and they live very well indeed.