I appreciate that distinction. It's just that in my travels in eastern Europe, I have come across them, and sometimes, when you're coming as an outsider, it's not easy to understand.
I address my next question to Maureen Silcoff.
There are lots of Roma claimants in Canada. Why is there proportionately higher abandonment and withdrawal, because that causes a problem for those of us who are looking at this. We're asking what the reason is. There has to be a reason. Are they really committed to this country? Do they really need to seek asylum, with that status, here in Canada?