Thank you for that question. I think it picks up on the question from the previous speaker.
The case she cited was a case involving a gentleman who had already been convicted. It's a different situation from the situation we're discussing here about people who have been accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity but who haven't yet been convicted. The question is, they may have been found by an immigration member at a very low threshold. Remember, there are three thresholds, and the immigration threshold of proof is less than a balance of probabilities. It's a very low threshold of proof; it wouldn't be enough to find a person guilty.
We are dealing with people who have been found to be war criminals at a very low threshold, and then we have to decide what to do with them. As the previous speaker said, there are circumstances when we should consider trying them in Canada.
I can give you one example, and that was the gentlemen from the most wanted list who was actually deported. He was from Honduras. In fact, Honduran human rights groups contacted people in Canada and said, “Don't send this gentleman home. If he gets home he won't be tried; he'll be free. He is someone who should be tried, and we have evidence to prove that he may well be a war criminal. Please keep him in Canada.” That's an example illustrating that if we are committed to holding people accountable, we should seek to try them in Canada.
The other example you gave, of course, is of people who are war criminals and can't be deported, because to deport them would be to risk subjecting them to torture. That's one of the cases I'm dealing with now. In those types of situations we have to consider the possibility, if we believe they really are war criminals, of trying them in Canada.
Of course we have the International Criminal Court, and that gives us another option. If we believe that a person is a war criminal and he can't be sent home because he won't get a fair trial or he'll be tortured in his country, it's possible to ask the International Criminal Court to consider dealing with those cases.
It's a very complex question, and it's not one that has a simple answer.