Absolutely, and thank you for the question.
I think that all of us who have presented here as witnesses, even though we say that Canada should not be concerned about our security as a nation, absolutely we should, but what I am saying, though, is that as we build in these security measures, we must be cautious that we put in place conditions that will minimize the harm we do to the vast majority of people. It means that when we're looking at detention, we pay attention to things such as profiling and the kinds of groups we're going after because of race, as an example.
We pay attention to the fact that we want to know the people who are coming into the country. Is keeping a pregnant woman and her child in detention the only way to determine their identities, or is there another way to have them live within an alternative setting and still go through the process? We have determined that they pose a minimum risk, whether it be a risk of flight or a risk of security.
It is not all or nothing, as you just said. Do we protect our systems? Do we protect ourselves as a nation? Do we ensure that we have security measures in place that will continue to protect us and continue to protect our systems, including our immigration and refugee determination system? Absolutely. At the same time, should we ensure that we are building systems that minimize the harm that happens to a vast majority of people? Absolutely. Those things are not mutually exclusive, I would suggest.