That's not true.
Evidence of meeting #82 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.
A video is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #82 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.
A video is available from Parliament.
9 a.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
As I've said, I've put forward a compromise. All I'm saying is let us hear from this first set of witnesses and then we can move on. You know that we will have more than an hour.
June 11th, 2013 / 9 a.m.
Conservative
Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON
No, I know, but we had agreed to deal with these things at the beginning of the meeting.
I can move a motion to go in camera and we can deal with both of these. It's not midnight, actually, at any one of these places, so that's actually not true.
I'm sure the witnesses understand that committee business does from time to time arise, and we did have agreement to deal with this issue at the beginning of the meeting, both the motions. I'm only asking to deal with one. I'm happy to deal with the second in the manner that you've suggested.
But the request for a 30-day extension on Bill C-425 is a very simple procedure. It's not complicated. We're not dealing with the essence or the guts of the bill. All we're saying is that the bill hasn't been dealt with and it needs a 30-day extension to be able to deal with it sometime in the fall. That's like a two-minute, not even, vote to determine whether or not we're going to give a 30-day extension. That's all I'm asking for at the beginning of this meeting. We can do that, or I can move a motion to go in camera and we'll deal with both the motions there.
9 a.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
The chair is going to make a ruling that we proceed with our witnesses until we've dealt with the first set. As soon as we've finished dealing with the first set of witnesses, we will deal with the business of the committee.
9 a.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
I think I've given my reasonable compromise in a very difficult situation. There is no willingness to look for a compromise and to make something work for our witnesses.
Those who sustain the chair, I ask them to vote in favour of the chair. Those who are opposed?
(Ruling of the chair overturned)
Quelle surprise. The chair is not sustained so the chair will go back to committee business and we'll proceed with the two notices of motion that were given. Then we'll proceed with any other motions that come forward.
9 a.m.
Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
I have a point of order, Chair.
If we're going to be going back, I must remind you that I did give due notice. I too have a couple of motions that I would like to see on the order paper. Having said that, I'm very much concerned. Here we are 20 minutes after the committee began. The presentation would have been completed by all parties that are sitting at the table. I think it is a mistake. If there is an attempt—
9:05 a.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
Mr. Lamoureux, I think the chair has ruled that we will go back to committee business as we set it out last week. We have notices of motion. We will be starting with those notices of motion.
I will be recognizing speakers. I have Mme Groguhé, and then I have Mr. Dykstra.
9:05 a.m.
NDP
Sadia Groguhé NDP Saint-Lambert, QC
Madam Chair, I would like to stress the importance of the notice of motion that you presented last week. For the same reasons, I would like to be able to introduce that notice of motion again today, if you will allow me.
I am talking about the motion that you introduced on June 5, 2013. I would also like to be able to introduce that notice of motion.
9:05 a.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
I'll ask Mr. Lamoureux to take my seat while I move the motion. Technically, I have to move it.
I thought this was going to be at the end of the meeting. My apologies.
The motion—
9:05 a.m.
Conservative
Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON
I actually had the floor. You recognized me and then decided to move forward with a couple of other speakers. I would like to move in camera, so I move we move in camera right now.
9:05 a.m.
Liberal
The Vice-Chair Liberal Kevin Lamoureux
Before we go in camera, I'd like to consult with the clerk to make sure that we're doing this right. Give me a moment to feel comfortable.
9:05 a.m.
Conservative
Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON
I'm just moving in camera. I don't want to start dealing with....
Do mine first, then we can do whatever you want. Seriously, I've said that six times. Just deal with my motion and then we can do whatever you want. We can go to witnesses or we can deal with motions.
9:05 a.m.
NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
This is reminding me of a school playground, and I want to treat it like a committee.
9:05 a.m.
Liberal
The Vice-Chair Liberal Kevin Lamoureux
Recognize that I only have about 20 years of experience as a parliamentarian, observing what chairs would normally do. In assuming the chair, Ms. Sims had recognized a speaking order. The next person on her speaking order was Ms. Groguhé, and then, Mr. Dykstra, you were going to be following.
For you to interrupt, it would have to be in the form of a point of order. My suggestion would be to let Sadia provide her comments, and then we would go to you and you would be able to move your motion, if you're comfortable with that.
Ms. James, do you have a point of order?
9:05 a.m.
Conservative
Roxanne James Conservative Scarborough Centre, ON
I had raised my hand while Mr. Dykstra was speaking, and the chair interrupted him and put forward her own compromise. I had raised my hand at that point to be recognized. The reason I raised it was that I wanted to do a point of order, because he had the floor and was interrupted by the chair. The chair then presented her own compromise and we voted on it. In reality, Mr. Dykstra still has the floor, because he was cut off. I would ask you to reconsider what you just said and give the floor back to Mr. Dykstra.
9:05 a.m.
Liberal
The Vice-Chair Liberal Kevin Lamoureux
Ms. James, I truly appreciate what you're saying. I'm asking that you understand the position I'm in as the chair.
I assumed the chair and a list of speakers was provided to me. The chair has an obligation to follow that list. Mr. Dykstra is the next speaker. I'm sure he'll be able to move his motion. The only way I can change that order is if, as you have done, someone makes a point of order. If there's no point of order, I have to follow the list that has been provided to me. If we allow her to—