Thank you very much.
Thank you to all the witnesses for being here.
I certainly agreed with much, not all, but much of what Mr. Fogel said, particularly with regard to poor Canadian values. I would also say through you, Madam Chair, to the Conservatives that I have no more time or tolerance for terrorists or others who commit heinous crimes than you do.
But at the same time, as a Canadian, I'm also concerned with rights of due process, fairness, and adherence to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and whether or not we agree that real terrorists should be deported—that's one question—I'll put that to one side.
My question is more the process for deciding whether somebody is a real terrorist or real criminal of some sort, and whether that person has right to due process in a way that is fair. So I would read to you what a lawyer last Wednesday called Robin Seligman said. She said:
…if a person gets a parking ticket in the City of Toronto, or probably anywhere in Canada, you would have more judicial rights and appeal rights and the right to a fair hearing than you would under [this] Citizenship Act…. As a parking-ticket holder you have a right to a fair hearing. Under the Citizenship Act, as proposed, there is no hearing. It is up to the minister to decide whether there's a hearing or not. This can be very political, and these decisions should definitely be taken out of the hands of a minister.
While we might all agree that terrorists are awful, I don't want someone to be treated as a terrorist when he or she is not.
Does the lack of enough due process for fairness concern you?