Evidence of meeting #41 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funds.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Wilma Vreeswijk  Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Catrina Tapley  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic and Program Policy , Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Robert Orr  Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We'll call the meeting to order. This is meeting number 41 of the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, on Thursday, March 12. We are discussing the supplementary estimates.

We have representatives from the Department of Citizenship and Immigration here. Ms. Wilma Vreeswijk is the acting deputy minister. Good morning to you. I gather you're going to be making brief remarks before we get into a dialogue.

Also here is Tony Matson, who is the assistant deputy minister and chief financial officer. Good morning to you, sir.

Also here is Catrina Tapley, who is the assistant deputy minister of strategic and program policy.

Last but not least, we have a regular, Robert Orr, who comes here every time.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

He is the assistant deputy minister of operations.

Good morning to you, Mr. Orr.

Ms. Vreeswijk, you have the floor.

For how long, Mr. Clerk? Eight minutes, or whatever?

I'll cut you off when we feel you've talked too long.

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Wilma Vreeswijk Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

I don't think you'll have to. My remarks will be quite brief.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you very much. I shouldn't be so flippant. We're looking forward to your words.

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Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Wilma Vreeswijk

Thank you. There's no problem.

I am absolutely confident that Bob Orr is thrilled to be back here again.

I am pleased, Mr. Chair, to be here to present our supplementary estimates (C) for the fiscal year 2014-15. I'm here with the three ADMs. I'll be brief in order to highlight the most significant items, though of course we're happy to answer any questions on all items in the supplementary estimates.

The most significant allocation in these Supplementary Estimates is $20.6-million in additional funding to meet our obligations under the requirements of the Canada-Quebec accord on immigration. As members of this committee are aware, under this accord, the Government of Quebec maintains exclusive responsibility for immigrant settlement and integration services in return for an annual grant from the Government of Canada. The $20.6-million amount represents the increase of the grant amount in 2014-15 as compared to 2013-14, based on the year-over-year escalator formula set out in the accord, for a total of $341 million.

CIC's supplementary estimates also include an allocation of $3 million to support the reforms of the temporary foreign worker program and the international mobility programs. As you know, Mr. Chair, these reforms encourage the hiring and training of Canadians, limit the use of foreign workers in Canada to those situations where it's needed and appropriate, and ensure that the abuses of the program or of foreign workers by employers will be detected, with consequences for those breaking the rules.

This funding will provide CIC with 6.8 full-time employees to support the activities of the reformed program. Included in the funding is $1.6 million for ESDC activities, for which the department will invoice CIC.

Other increases in these estimates include $1.7 million related to the transfer of the International Experience Canada program from DFATD to CIC as of August 2013.

The international experience Canada, or IEC, program gives young Canadians and foreign nationals the opportunity to develop a mutual understanding of other cultures through travel, life, and work experiences abroad and in Canada. With the transfer of the program, the staff and equipment for its management and delivery have moved to CIC.

DFATD will invoice CIC for its program expenses abroad, and the figure in the estimates reflects this adjustment.

Another increase is $1 million related to the transfer of the pre-removal risk assessment function from CIC to the IRB. This amount pertains to funding from the period of December 15, 2014 to March 31 of this year, which had already been transferred to IRB to undertake this function. The transfer is delayed pending the outcome of an evaluation of the new asylum system, which is scheduled for later on this year. However, since this function is still within CIC, the IRB is returning this funding.

There are two other increases of note. One is a grant of $800,000 to the Institute for Canadian Citizenship, which is a charitable organization that has worked closely with CIC to raise awareness of and promote Canadian citizenship. The other is $600,000 that represents residual funding from 2014-15 Supplementary Estimates (B) related to the introduction of the express entry initiative in January.

There are also some recurring items, such as those related to services carried out on behalf of CIC by DFATD and Shared Services Canada, as well as those related to advertising, which also appear in these estimates.

Mr. Chair, my colleagues and I will be happy to answer questions.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you for being so brief. The clerk didn't give me a clock, so thank you very much.

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Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Wilma Vreeswijk

We're starting well.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Indeed.

Mr. Menegakis.

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thanks once again to our officials for appearing before us and for your testimony this morning, Ms. Vreeswijk.

I think everybody in this room knows the importance and the key role immigration plays in Canada's long-term prosperity and our competitiveness on the world stage.

This year we launched the new program express entry, and I see in the supplementary estimates some additional funding has been provided for express entry. Can you expand for us on how these funds will be used?

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Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Wilma Vreeswijk

I'll introduce the comments and my colleague will jump in.

The express entry funds are supplementary to funds that were provided last fall. When we requested the supplementary (B) funding, the plan had not been finalized. These funds are related to the completion of that amount.

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Catrina Tapley Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic and Program Policy , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

I would add that those funds relate to additional processing requirements in the Canadian experience class, which is a key component of express entry. As you have noted, Mr. Chair, it's $600,000 in addition to the multi-year funding CIC has received for this initiative.

In total CIC received $29.4 million over five years with $4.2 million ongoing as of 2018-19.

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you.

Can you give us an update on how express entry is doing? More specifically, how many rounds of invitations have there been for people to apply, and has there been international interest in the program?

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Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Wilma Vreeswijk

Thank you for the question.

As you know, the express entry initiative was launched at the beginning of January. We were happy with the initial interest in the program and the response in terms of the number of expressions of interest.

I'll ask Bob Orr to give you the numbers, but we are monitoring this program very closely. It is an important program because it allows us to select candidates and to rank candidates based on the needs of the Canadian labour market. It also ensures those that are selected do well and prosper in the Canadian context.

Bob, would you like to talk a little about the numbers?

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Robert Orr Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Certainly.

As the deputy indicated, we're very pleased with the numbers that have shown interest around the world. We had four rounds of invitations—

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Four rounds. Really?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Robert Orr

—and 3,594 individuals have been invited to apply under this program since its inception in January.

They come under a variety of categories. They come under the federal skilled worker program, the federal skilled trades program, the Canadian experience class, and a portion of the provincial nominee program.

The majority of people have had job offers, but it's early days. We're not yet in steady state in terms of having those rounds and who will be drawn from the pool. It's encouraging indeed with the numbers and the interest that has been drawn to this program.

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

We opened that at the end of January, correct? Is that when the first round went out?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Robert Orr

The ability to enter the pool started on January 1, and the first round of invitations was sent out in late January.

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

I just want to clarify that you said that the majority of the people have job offers.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Robert Orr

Thus far, but there will be a changing dynamic in terms of who is drawn from the pool as we get more experience, more people in the pool, and so on.

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

This leads me to my next question. The government wants to respond to the labour market needs in our country, and so do employers.

On the other end, can you explain how express entry is engaging employers?

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Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Wilma Vreeswijk

As we developed the express entry system over the last two years, we did broad-based consultations with a wide variety of stakeholders including employers. Certainly, the way the express entry system is structured means that to the degree that there are job offers, we facilitate entry. The link between the demand from employers and the immigration system is very tight.

Over time, as improvements are made to the job bank later this spring, employers will also be able to access the full range of individuals who have indicated an interest, as well as those who are in the job bank. The way the initiative is structured is designed to engage and involve employers, but not exclusively, because human capital attributes are also valued. The way the ranking system works means that those who have strong language skills and education will also be given recognition for those attributes. It is responsive to employers, but it is also responsive to high skill levels and strong language capabilities in both official languages.

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Was Citizenship and Immigration in contact with industry leaders prior to the launch, and do you have a gauge of their interest level in the program?

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Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Wilma Vreeswijk

We did hold a number of round tables with stakeholders including employers. We have also established an employer liaison network, and I'll turn to Catrina to speak about that.