Evidence of meeting #10 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was citizenship.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
Let's not get into a debate across the table.
Thank you, Mr. Tabbara. I believe that there is no further debate so I will call the vote on amendment CPC—
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
We didn't see you on the list but we can add you to the list, Mr. Chen.
Liberal
Shaun Chen Liberal Scarborough North, ON
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I want to respond to my colleagues across the way, first to Mr. Tilson through you, Mr. Chair. I do accept the apology and I thank you for the forthrightness you have demonstrated in the spirit of collaboration.
With respect to Ms. Rempel's comments around a contradiction, I would humbly suggest that the contradiction is in fact on the other side, because it was her colleague, Mr. Tilson, who suggested at an earlier committee meeting that this committee is independent and is not here to carry out the wishes of the minister. So I would argue that—
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Point of order, Mr. Chairman. Those discussions were made in camera and Mr. Chen has absolutely no right to raise issues that were discussed in camera. So you have a problem, Mr. Chairman.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
Thank you, Mr. Tilson. In fact, you are correct. Mr. Chen, you may not raise issues that were discussed in camera.
Liberal
Shaun Chen Liberal Scarborough North, ON
My apologies, through you, Mr. Chair. I did not recall that the discussion was in camera.
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Well, Mr. Chairman, I'm going to speak on a point of privilege. Quite frankly, I have never seen this happen in the years that I have been here in this committee, where members reveal what other members have said in camera. The purpose of meeting in camera is to discuss open matters of business, how we're going to proceed, and other matters. Quite frankly, Mr. Chen is completely wrong in quoting me as to what I said in camera. I don't think you should simply dismiss this and say “Mr. Chen, you're not allowed to do that.”
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
A point of privilege has been raised. Mr. Chen has made it clear that he was not aware that the discussion he referenced was in camera and he has apologized.
Ms. Rempel.
Conservative
Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB
Mr. Chair, I raise a point of privilege, given that by your own admission this was a release of in camera information on the record in public. I believe that is a violation of privilege and, per proper procedure, I ask that you report this incident to the House of Commons.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
Ms. Rempel, Mr. Chen did make it clear that he was not aware that he was referencing something that was discussed in camera. He has apologized, and that satisfies me in regard to the question of privilege.
Ms. Rempel.
Conservative
Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB
I have asked that this be reported to the House of Commons, given by your own admission that this was a violation of in camera rules. This is a very serious breach. If you are overruling that request, then I challenge your decision and ask for a recorded division.
The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Erica Pereira
The question is shall the decision of the chair be sustained?
(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 5; nays 4)
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
The decision is sustained.
We shall move to voting on CPC-3, reference number 8222415. All those in favour—
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Mr. Chairman, question period officially starts. It's absolutely unheard of that you would proceed in this fashion. I therefore move that we adjourn.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
Mr. Tilson, you have already tried to move that motion. It was not supported.
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Mr. Chairman, we've had proceedings since that took place, and we're now into another motion.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
Seeing no debate, all those in favour of the motion? Opposed?
Ms. Kwan.
NDP
Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC
On a point of clarification, Mr. Chair, with respect to this, is the only item we need to deal with to vote on the last amendment and then we'll have completed all of the items that were to be addressed before this committee today?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
We will then vote on clause 27, which has no amendments, and then we vote on the title, the bill, reporting the bill to the House, and ordering a reprint of the bill, which are procedurally pretty quick.
We are now on CPC-3, reference number 8222415. All those in favour? Opposed?
(Amendment negatived)
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
On clause 27, there are no amendments. All those in favour of clause 27?
(Clause 27 agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj
Thank you. That's carried unanimously. We now move to the title. Shall the title carry?