Thanks, Mr. Aterman.
I'm getting a stronger sense today that the measures that have been put in place over the last year to address the issues regarding the SOGIE guidelines and member appointments and the complaints process are there. It would be great now to give it some time to see them work their way through.
Another issue that arose newly today with Ms. Warner's testimony earlier is the role of a clerk versus the role of a member at the lower levels of the immigration and the refugee division, and how that work is managed, from the perspective of your role as the chair, to make sure the organization functions properly from a labour relations perspective, but also with regard to the independence of members to make decisions. At a fundamental level what also arose is whether or not we have some inconsistencies in approach here and how your organization is attempting to address those inconsistencies.
It does not seem like the traditional employer-employee relationship vis-à-vis the members. You were in the room, so perhaps you'll remember her testimony a bit. Perhaps you could speak a little to some of the challenges and how you address appropriate staffing, and also to the mixed relationship you have with the members as both their supervisor and their chair.