Evidence of meeting #122 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was countries.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-Nicolas Beuze  Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
Salma Zahid  Scarborough Centre, Lib.
Michael Casasola  Senior Resettlement Officer, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
Matt de Vlieger  Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Glen Linder  Director General, International and Intergovernmental Relations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Mark Giralt  Director General, International Network, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Jean-Marc Gionet  Senior Director, International Network, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Sure.

4:05 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

—were processed through the UNHCR.

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I meant the initial tranche.

The motion to have the special program came about because there were no genocide survivors, or maybe there were five or six referred in the initial tranche, prior to the motion being passed in the House of Commons, which precipitated a special program.

4:05 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

As you know, the resettlement program is for refugees. Those you are speaking about were still in their country of origin, northern Iraq, Kurdistan in other terms, and were still under the jurisdiction of their own government.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Sure, so I'll ask again, because we've been through the reasons. For example, you've just stated it. These are genocide survivors who have difficulty making it to one of your camps and have testified that they—

4:05 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

No, I didn't say that. I said they have chosen to remain in Iraq, in northern Iraq, and some of them are crossing into Turkey. Some of them had decided to go to Lebanon. I met some of them there. It's their choice where they...if they felt safe in northern Iraq, that was their decision. There they were supported by UNHCR and the Kurdistan authorities—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Would you characterize northern Iraq during the ISIS genocide of the Yazidis as a safe place for Yazidis?

4:05 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

By the time they had reached northern Iraq, it was a safe place, yes.

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

We are looking at the period between—

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Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

They were receiving appropriate medical treatment. Some of them had special needs, which required—

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

To clarify, I'm looking at the period from approximately August 2014 to November 2016. Are you suggesting that during that period, Yazidis were safe in northern Iraq?

4:05 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

I'm not suggesting that. I said that by the time there was a request to the UNHCR to see whether a program could be established for specific cases, they were in northern Iraq, which had been stabilized and where they were receiving care, perhaps not sufficient care but care nonetheless, from the Kurdistan authorities, the UN and the NGO community.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Was the UN aware of the humanitarian situation facing the Yazidi people in northern Iraq during the period I just specified?

4:05 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

Yes, we have approximately 600 colleagues on the ground.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

How is it that the United Nations did not provide a recommendation for special programming to help or identify victims of genocide to be referred to Canada as part of the 30,000, or whatever the number was for the Syrian refugee initiative, given that a lot of these women were actually incarcerated and held captive in Syria?

4:05 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

Let me clarify again that the resettlement program to Canada is for refugees, so it's for those who have crossed—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I understand that there's a technical term—

4:05 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

Let me just—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I do. I understand that there's a technical term, that you have a technical term on refugees and IDP. I am questioning whether your selection process helps those who are most in need—

4:05 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

Yes, and that's going to be my response.

We are not looking at whether a woman has been raped as part of genocide or has been raped in another context. A rape survivor is a rape survivor. If she needs to be resettled to have access to medical care, we are not going to look—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

How could one of those women...? You're suggesting they had a choice. How could a woman who escaped sexual slavery get to one of your camps and get into the process that was used to select these people to come to Canada?

4:10 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

In the cases of Syria and Iraq, all the people who arrive in a third country, like Turkey, Jordan or Lebanon, are processed through a registration system.

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

How could they have gotten to your camp, after they had survived sexual slavery? How could they have gotten into your selection process?

4:10 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Jean-Nicolas Beuze

Alors, first of all, most of the refugees and the displaced do not live in camps. There is no such concept as camps.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I know. I understand that.