We have come to 4:30, which is the time for our second panel to begin, so I'm afraid I need to thank the witnesses.
Witnesses, if you want to stay on and listen to the next panel, you're invited to do so. We can then ask questions of any of you, but I also recognize that your time is valuable. That really will be up to you. If you'd like to stay, you're welcome.
We'll need a small suspension for a minute to make sure our next group of witnesses is available.