I can provide the committee with the breakdown with respect to lawyers as opposed to consultants. How many are legal aid lawyers is a much more difficult question. I can't answer that, because we don't have information about the means by which lawyers are retained. In other words, we don't know whether they have a private retainer.
I can tell you anecdotally that in Ontario, for example, there's a developed legal aid program on the refugee side, which explains why there are relatively few consultants who appear on the refugee side of the program. On the immigration side of the program, the immigration division, the immigration appeal division, legal aid is not available and we have a higher rate of representation by consultants.