Evidence of meeting #54 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was question.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Richard Wex  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
David Manicom  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic and Program Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Erica Pereira
Robert Orr  Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Daniel Mills  Assistant Deputy Minister, Chief Financial Officer, Finance, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Dawn Edlund  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Good afternoon.

Pursuant to Standing Orders 108(2) and 81(4) and the motion adopted by the committee on February 16, 2017, the committee will now commence its studies on the main estimates 2017-18, with votes 1, 5, and 10 under Department of Citizenship and Immigration and vote 1 under Immigration and Refugee Board; the subject matter of the supplementary estimates (C) 2016-17, votes 1c, 5c, 7c, and 10c under Department of Citizenship and Immigration, and vote 1c under the Immigration and Refugee Board; and the updated mandate letter of the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship.

I will now call vote 1 under the Department of Citizenship and Immigration and introduce our witnesses.

I'd like to first of all welcome to our committee the new minister, the Honourable Ahmed Hussen.

We look forward to working closely with you in the coming year, Minister.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chairman—and this is addressed to the minister—normally in the past we have had separate meetings for the supplementary estimates and the main estimates. That was particularly the former minister's practice, as it was of any minister who I've seen appear.

Quite frankly, I would hope that the minister would be prepared to.... The main estimates don't need to be reported to the House until the end of May. I guess the question, Mr. Chairman, is whether or not the minister would be prepared to appear in May on the main estimates and to have this meeting specifically for the supplementary estimates and the letter.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON

On a point of order—

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

No, it's my point of order. You have to wait until your turn.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON

A point of order doesn't go into questioning a witness—

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Yes. It's my point of order. You can't interrupt my point of order.

Minister...?

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Just one second, please.

Mr. Tilson, in response to your question as to scheduling, you're quite right. Certain ministers in the past have scheduled separate meetings. As the chair, I do have the discretion to schedule meetings and the agendas for the meetings. Working with the minister's office and their schedules, we found that this was the best opportunity to be able to bring the minister before the committee to address all of the issues that committee members wish to question the minister on.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Chairman, on February 22, there were minutes where it was agreed by this committee that “the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship be invited to appear on the ministerial mandate letter as well as on the Supplementary Estimates...and that the appearance take place forthwith”. There was no mention of the main estimates.

Quite frankly, we're combining a whole bunch of things into one meeting. I think it's more appropriate that the minister, if he's prepared to meet—and hopefully he would be—appear in May for the main estimates.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Thank you.

As I said, Mr. Tilson, the chair does have the discretion to set the agendas for meetings. I'm sure the minister, depending on availability, will be happy to come before the committee on various issues. Right now, this is how we've scheduled the meeting for today.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Chairman, I would move that the minister be invited to appear on the main estimates in May, in the early part of May.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Unfortunately, you cannot move a motion on a point of order, Mr. Tilson.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

The point of order is over. I am now making a motion.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

It doesn't have—

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

You've ruled on the point of order, Mr. Chairman. I accept that, but now I'm making a motion.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Mr. Tilson, you'll have to wait until you have the floor, but at this point—

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

I have the floor now, Mr. Chairman.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

It was based on your point of order.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

No. You've ruled on the point of order. I now have the floor, so I'm making a motion.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Mr. Tilson, I have ruled on this. If you'd like to challenge my ruling, that is your prerogative, but I've ruled on this and we will continue with the meeting.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Is the ruling that I'm not allowed to make the motion?

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

You do not have the floor at this time. When you do have the floor, it's up to you to proceed as you wish.

At this point in time, I've made my ruling. If you'd like to challenge the ruling, you're free to do so but the meeting will continue.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

It's going to be an interesting day, Mr. Chairman. I'll wait.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Thank you, Mr. Tilson.

As I was saying, we have before us the Honourable Ahmed Hussen, Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship. We also have, from the department, Richard Wex, associate deputy minister; Daniel Mills, assistant deputy minister and chief financial officer; Mr. Robert Orr, assistant deputy minister, operations; Dawn Edlund, associate assistant deputy minister, operations; Paul MacKinnon, assistant deputy minister, strategic and program policy; and David Manicom, associate assistant deputy minister, strategic and program policy.

The floor is now yours, Minister, for your opening statement.

Thank you.

3:35 p.m.

York South—Weston Ontario

Liberal

Ahmed Hussen LiberalMinister of Immigration

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good afternoon, members of the committee. I'm very pleased today to appear before the standing committee for the first time. It's a great honour and privilege to serve as Canada's Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, and I look forward to working with all committee members on fulfilling this important responsibility entrusted to me.

As someone who has gone through the immigration system, this file has a very personal significance to me. I'm extremely proud of our country's history as a place of freedom and asylum. In the Prime Minister's mandate letter to me, he indicated that our immigration and refugee policy should reflect the “open, accepting, and generous” qualities of Canadians. I want to assure committee members that I take this commitment very seriously.

As I fulfill my duties in welcoming those who want to contribute to our country's success, I promise to also uphold our proud tradition of openness. In doing so, we will remain a compassionate society, and immigration will continue to play a meaningful role in our country's prosperity and future success.

In recognition of immigration's important role in our country's economic growth and future, one of the priorities identified in my mandate letter is to “Ensure the effective implementation of Canada's increased annual immigration levels.” In achieving these immigration levels, it is also a priority in my mandate letter to reduce application processing times and improve the department's services to our clients. In doing so, we aim to make application processes less complicated and more timely for all applicants.

The government appreciates the standing committee's work in this regard. I wish to thank the committee members for their study on client service. The government will take into consideration its recommendations as we work to improve our services for our clients.

As the committee members are aware, our immigration plan for 2017 will maintain the historically high levels from the previous year. At a target of 300,000 new permanent residents, this represents the highest number of projected admissions put forth by the Government of Canada in modern times.

Following Canada's response to the Syrian refugee crisis, another priority identified in my mandate letter is the important work in resettling the Syrian refugee population. To date, since our initial commitment to resettle these refugees in December 2015, Canada has resettled more than 40,000 Syrian refugees.

Our continued focus is on helping these Syrian refugees integrate and succeed in Canada. The government will continue to work with provinces and territories, service providers, community groups, and partners to help these newcomers improve their official language skills, find employment, build a social network, and establish other vital connections in order to participate in all facets of Canadian life.

Indeed, the government wants to ensure that all newcomers—not just refugees—are given the best possible chance to succeed and to become fully participating members of our society. That is why another key priority in my mandate is to work with provinces and territories to renew our focus on delivering high-quality settlement services. We will employ a rigorous approach to our data to accurately measure newcomer outcomes. This will help us to determine whether our settlement services are responding effectively to the needs of newcomers and will enable us to make improvements accordingly.

The government is also committed to advancing the calls to action of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which include changes to the Citizenship Act and the oath of citizenship. To that end, I will work with my colleague, the Minister of Indigenous and Northern Affairs, and expect to bring forward legislation to modify the oath in the coming months.

Mr. Chair, I appreciate this opportunity to outline some of the priorities identified in my department's mandate letter. As I've said, I look forward to working with the committee members as we fulfill these commitments and support our ultimate shared goal, which is to ensure that our immigration system best supports newcomers and Canadians.

In support of our commitments, I am pleased to present to the committee today some of the highlights of my department's supplementary estimates (C) for 2016 and 2017 and the main estimates for 2017-18.

With respect to supplementary estimates (C), the most significant allocation is the $33.2 million for the Canada-Quebec accord on immigration, which is an increase compared with previous years.

As this committee is aware, under this accord the Government of Quebec maintains responsibility for immigrant settlement and integration services in return for an annual grant. The grant amount is calculated using a year-over-year escalator that has two variables: the total increase in federal expenditures and the number of non-francophone immigrants who settle in Quebec.

Another increase in these estimates is the $10 million in additional funding for the interim federal health program, which was fully reinstated on April 1, 2016. As you know, the interim federal health program provides limited, temporary health coverage to resettled refugees, asylum seekers, and other groups until they are eligible for provincial or territorial health care plans. One of the primary cost drivers of the program is the number of asylum claimants that enter Canada each year, which is simply not foreseeable.

The department is also seeking $6.9 million in additional funding to support our increased levels for immigration. This funding will enable us to ramp up our operations here at home and abroad in order to meet the new admissions target of 300,000 immigrants in 2017.

For 2017-18 our department's main estimates amount of $1.6 billion represents a net decrease of $3.9 million from the previous year. This decrease is mainly due to the sunsetting of several projects as well as program transfers to other departments. For example, as this committee is well aware, Canada's response to the Syrian refugee crisis was an exceptional circumstance that required a designated level of funding. This resulted in an $80.1-million decrease in our annual budget for 2017-18.

Among other decreases for this year is the funding for the electronic travel authorization. As the eTA was successfully implemented in November 2016, this resulted in another $8.7-million reduction in our annual budget.

With respect to our funding increases for 2017-18, among the largest allocations are the following. We will require $33.5 million in 2017-18 to resettle 10,000 additional government-supported Syrian refugees. Under the Canada-Quebec accord, the Government of Canada will require $33.2 million for this fiscal year. We will also require $18.1 million to support an increase in the immigration levels plan related to the settlement program.

Mr. Chair, since I already spoke to many of these initiatives, I would now like to focus on some of the remaining initiatives in our main estimates. As you know, biometrics are an important tool to verify the identity of individuals. They strengthen Canada's immigration system in the process. Building on the success of the temporary resident biometrics project to expand biometrics screening to all visa-required travellers, this year IRCC will require a $15.4-million increase in funding.

Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada is also seeking $4.4 million in 2017-18 to support the removal of the visa requirement for citizens of Mexico. The government is very pleased that the visa-lifting has already resulted in more Mexican travellers to Canada since we removed the visa on December 1, 2016. Within the first month of the visa-lifting, the number of trips to Canada by Mexicans almost tripled. The December volumes represent almost double those seen in December 2015.

While this is good for our bilateral relations with Mexico and our country's economy, we also recognize that there is some level of risk involved, as is the case with any visa lift. This is why we continue to monitor migration trends, including the number of asylum claims from Mexico.

The Government of Canada is committed to ensuring the success of our immigration system. We want to make sure our immigration system meets the needs of newcomers and best serves the interests of all Canadians. We must be welcoming to those who wish to help build our country and help us succeed. At the same time, we must ensure the safety, security, and health of all Canadians, that this remains paramount, and that we maintain the integrity of our immigration system. The estimates we are discussing today will help us to meet these goals.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I would now be happy to answer any questions the committee members may have.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Thank you, Minister.

Mr. Tabbara, you have seven minutes.