Okay. You started your questions by highlighting the submission of the Canadian Bar Association, which advocates that, because of the complexity of this area, it should really be undertaken only by lawyers. In an ideal world, I certainly would agree. I agree about the complexity point. But from a legal aid perspective, I feel as though we're always trying to think about the biggest bang for the biggest buck in the service of our clients who are really impoverished.
I'm sorry if I'm not squarely answering your questions as you've posed them, but I think there is a place for specialization and areas of service that different groups can be undertaking across the spectrum of service providers. I do think that in the rich network of settlement agencies, newcomer refugee-serving NGOs that do not operate with a profit motive are a really important piece in the continuum of immigration services, and I think it's incumbent upon this committee to turn its attention to that group, which is providing some really key on-the-ground supports.