Evidence of meeting #11 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was racism.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Steven Meurrens  Immigration Lawyer, As an Individual
Jennifer Miedema  Executive Director, Remember Ministries, As an Individual
Gideon Christian  President, African Scholars Initiative
Beba Svigir  Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Immigrant Women’s Association
Anila Lee Yuen  President and Chief Executive Officer, Centre for Newcomers
Fatima Filippi  Executive Director, Rexdale Women's Centre

12:50 p.m.

Executive Director, Rexdale Women's Centre

Fatima Filippi

Questions are being developed by humans. We have to vet those questions. We have to ask, “Are there inherent biases in the way we're asking the question, or the words we're using as part of the question? Is that the understanding that we're trying to get at?” We need to talk to IRCC staff who are racialized, or communities through focus groups, and say, “This is our intent. Is that what the question is asking?” I think we need to look at that. Maybe there are certain words within that context that have inherent biases that are not necessarily picked up by us, because there's some privilege where we're standing, as opposed to someone who is receiving that question and not understanding it in the same way we do.

I'll give you an example. When we say to our clients, “We're doing an intake with you”, some of our clients will look at us and say, “Are you going to make me eat something—like, ingest something?” I have to say, “No, no, it's a process of filling out an application form so that you understand that we collect data.” Sometimes language doesn't translate in other cultures in the same way that it would translate for us, such as our understanding of where we're at within that system or within the sector, for example. It's a simple example but a really clear one of how language fails to translate effectively into different languages.

12:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Centre for Newcomers

Anila Lee Yuen

I can add to that. I think before we even get to that piece, it's about what the intent is. One piece that is consistently baffling to many of us is that if we know we don't have enough people to thrive as Canadians, then what's the reason that we are putting so many barriers on people who actually want to live here and work here and create lives here?

I think that's some of the bias in that, in terms of the humans who are putting those questions together. We need to look at what the overall intent is. Are we trying to create a thriving community or are we trying to keep people out? Often what ends up happening with all of these rules is that we keep more people out than we actually bring in, and our overall intent is to bring in people who actually want to be here.

12:55 p.m.

Executive Director, Rexdale Women's Centre

Fatima Filippi

It seems that the system is focusing more on catching. It's focusing on the negative as opposed to the positive. It's concerning how much energy is being put into that as opposed to the opposite.

12:55 p.m.

A voice

Yes. Is the country—

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I'm sorry. The time is up for Mr. Benzen.

Mr. Ali, you have three minutes for your round of questioning. Please begin.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Shafqat Ali Liberal Brampton Centre, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair. Through you, I'd like to thank all the witnesses for being here.

My [Technical difficulty—Editor] elaborate on your recommendation for an ombudsman. How would this differ from the process available to clients through the Federal Court? Can you point to any other example within provincial or federal governments where there is an ombudsperson with a role similar to the one you're recommending?

12:55 p.m.

Executive Director, Rexdale Women's Centre

Fatima Filippi

Sure. I think it avoids an extensive process for both the client and the government, number one. It's an independent body. It's difficult to have an independent review within the department itself, and it's hard not to get an independent review, given the circumstances and the interrelationships with staff and supervisors and with government and so forth within the system. So I think, yes, we can look at the Ontario ombudsperson for human rights, for example. There's an ombudsperson even within the city of Toronto.

We would create mandates at different levels to address what the oversight would be. That would definitely provide more confidence within the community that the system is impartial and that the review is impartial, and the perception that people who are going there are going to be heard fairly as opposed to being heard within a department and being concerned that there are already biases there and that the outcome is predetermined. So, yes, having an independent ombudsman is very doable, and it would be very easy for Canada to adopt that and to look at what the oversight and parameters would be with regard to discriminatory practices that exist.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Shafqat Ali Liberal Brampton Centre, ON

Thank you.

To all three witnesses, you each have decades of experience in offering settlement services to newcomer women. Could you give us some ideas of the changes you have experienced in your ability to offer those services over those decades? Are there trajectories of positive change that we can assist in measuring?

12:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Immigrant Women’s Association

Beba Svigir

I can offer my thoughts on that. I mentioned that we are probably the biggest settlement agency in Canada. Fifteen years ago, CIWA's capacity—obviously, that is always defined by the budget—was $1.5 million. We are now approaching $19 million in funding. Based on that, in black and white, we look like an example of a beautiful understanding by IRCC of investment and the benefit of that investment for immigrant women.

However, we are a tiny micro component of the whole country that should be multiplied one hundredfold. There should be 100 agencies in this country doing this, and there are many that are doing this. So for a sample of the investment, I'm quite sure that IRCC could use all the women's agencies in Canada and get the disaggregated data and see the benefits. We actually have longitudinal studies we have done that have been reported on around the world about this.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I'm sorry for interrupting, Ms. Svigir, but the time is up for Mr. Ali.

We will now proceed to Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe for one and a half minutes.

12:55 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

To the witnesses, let me say that you have been exceptional. Thank you very much.

I'm going to leave you the last word to tell us what your top priority would be.

Let's start with Ms. Yuen, and then Ms. Filippi and Ms. Svigir can respond.

1 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Centre for Newcomers

Anila Lee Yuen

It is to stop the discrimination between immigration levels, between temporary residents and refugee claimants versus permanent residents, because with our funding we are allowed to serve only permanent residents, and that does not help us along the entire spectrum.

1 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Thank you.

How about you, Ms. Filippi?

1 p.m.

Executive Director, Rexdale Women's Centre

Fatima Filippi

If you're talking about the situation within IRCC for us—and I support Ms. Lee Yuen—I would recommend having a comprehensive racial equity review of Canada's immigration and refugee system, including the legislation, regulations, policies and practices, and how those apply across all levels within IRCC and not just within one department.

1 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Thank you very much. You stayed within the time limit perfectly, by the way.

What would your priority be, Ms. Svigir?

1 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Immigrant Women’s Association

Beba Svigir

I support both Anila and Fatima in what they have said. Racial discrimination coupled with gender discrimination has always been and will always be our priority. We want Canada to be sensitive towards racialized immigrant women who come our way.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Time is up for Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe. We will now end our panel with Ms. Kwan.

Ms. Kwan, you have one and a half minutes. Please begin.

1 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Ms. Yuen, you began your presentation today talking about differential treatment by the government in terms of special immigration measures for those in crisis or who are faced with a humanitarian crisis.

Should the government extend the special immigration measures they have offered to Ukrainians to those from other countries that are faced with humanitarian crises, such as Afghanistan, Hong Kong, Syria and so on, and extend the immigration measures to allow for extended family sponsorships and special visa applications for those from those other regions?

I'll start with you, Ms. Yuen.

1 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Centre for Newcomers

Anila Lee Yuen

Yes, absolutely. They should do this, 100%. This is one of our biggest recommendations. We fully support this, with the caveat that people cannot be coming in as temporary residents without the opportunity to very quickly transition into permanent residents once they are here. Without that, currently, IRCC will not provide us the funding to support people who are not permanent residents.

We can bring in all of these displaced people, but none of the settlement agencies are able to provide services to them. That's a huge disconnect.

1 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Ms. Fatima Filippi, please answer the same question.

1 p.m.

Executive Director, Rexdale Women's Centre

Fatima Filippi

Yes. Look at what's happening in Yemen, for example. A war has been raging on there forever, and they're not being allowed in. We have Afghan refugees displaced in Pakistan who are going through enormous challenges to file their applications and not having them approved, even though they've found a safe haven out of Afghanistan.

We understand that airports are not as accessible right now as they may have been in Ukraine, but in other countries, where we're seeing the ability to be able to leave the country, the opportunities are not being applied in the same way.

We need to look at that and create opportunities for when they land here, in order to be able to support them.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I'm sorry for interrupting, Ms. Filippi. The time is up.

Thanks a lot for appearing before the committee and for your important recommendations and testimonies. On behalf of all members of the committee, I really want to thank you for all the work that you are doing for the new immigrants, especially for marginalized women.

Before we finish, if any of the witnesses have some recommendations or something they would like to bring to the committee's attention as we continue our study, you can always send it in writing to the clerk of the committee. It will be circulated to all members of the committee.

With this, today's meeting comes to an end. Is it the pleasure of the committee to adjourn the meeting?

1 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

The meeting is adjourned.