Related to it as well is that I don't think it's good enough for the ministers to say that they're not available. I would like to ensure that the clerk continues to pursue the availability of the ministers so that they can come to the committee. I think they need to come and answer these questions. We can't just say, “Oh, shoot, they can't come”, and then move on. There has to be really good justification for why they can't come.
I think this is an important matter. We need the ministers here.