Okay.
I'm going to ask this of both of you, because you are lawyers with a specialty in immigration law that I do not have.
My question is on annex 4 of the immigration levels plan.
You mentioned that some of these changes target international students very directly on their path to permanent residency. I'm bringing up the immigration levels plan because I think it's important. You specifically disagreed with the need to make international students reapply for a new study permit if they change their designated learning institute. There were other things you were concerned about. The plan calls for people to voluntarily leave—almost a million people—over two years.
How would the ministry do this legally? What are their options to ensure people leave voluntarily? When I asked this question of the minister, he couldn't answer. I'm wondering what two lawyers, specifically experts in immigration law, understand to be the methods to make people leave.