You are right. We know that people who are victims of racism or who have had a bad experience are very afraid to speak out about it, for fear of the repercussions on their career.
We have set up what we call trust circles. This refers to a conversation that these people can have voluntarily and directly with senior officials, myself, Deputy Minister Catrina Tapley and others in senior management. We are all prepared to hear from them, to hear about their experiences. This is an opportunity for them to vent. Moreover, no one else knows that they were part of this trust circle. We feel that it is also an opportunity to better understand the problems of the organization.