Evidence of meeting #23 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was claim.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Brassard  Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board
Eatrides  Deputy Chairperson, Refugee Protection Division, Immigration and Refugee Board
Bush  Director General, Immigration and Asylum Policy, Canada Border Services Agency
Dukeshire  Senior Counsel, Refugee Protection Division, Immigration and Refugee Board
Hollmann  Director General, Asylum Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

11:35 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

It's useful when credibility is in question or when we'd like to ask the lawyer to answer some legal questions.

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

It allows us to test their credibility, among other things.

11:35 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

Yes, it makes it possible to put those things to the test.

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Earlier, you said that, since 2019, 35,000 asylum seekers—

11:35 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

It's 35,000 to 39,000, and 18% of them were in Quebec.

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Okay. So that's 35,000 asylum seekers since 2019.

When was that number last updated?

11:35 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

In December.

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

That was December 2025. So 35,000 asylum seeks didn't have a hearing. Is that correct?

11:35 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

That's right.

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Then you say that 18% of them are in Quebec.

11:35 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

If a claimant comes from one of the pre-selected countries under your project for which a hearing is not required, is it still possible to refer the case to a hearing if someone sees something?

11:35 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

Absolutely.

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Okay.

Earlier, you also said that 10% to 12% of the 78,000 claims for refugee status were based on questioning, if I'm not mistaken.

11:35 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

That was last year. Those are included in the 35,000 to 39,000 claimants you're talking about.

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Okay. So 10% to 12% of all claims ultimately went to a hearing.

11:35 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

No, those are the ones that don't go to a hearing.

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Okay. So 10% to 12% of claimants don't have a hearing.

11:40 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

That's correct.

As for the rest, those are cases that went to a hearing, cases where claimants have been summoned to a hearing, but then their claim has been rejected because they didn't show up for their hearing, or, in a small percentage of cases, people simply abandoned their claim or withdrew it.

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Thank you, Mr. Deschênes.

Thank you, Ms. Brassard.

Next we have five minutes for Ms. Rempel Garner.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Ms. Brassard, the law under section 166 of the IRPA says that proceedings before your division must be public. Is that correct?

11:40 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

Not for the refugee claimants, it isn't.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Section 166 says that it's any division.

11:40 a.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Manon Brassard

I don't have the act with me, but—