Evidence of meeting #3 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was students.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Park  Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic Programs, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Zafar  Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Gill  Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Delivery, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
May  Director General, International Students Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

How many have been withdrawn or refused due to criminality in the last four years?

4:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Delivery, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Pemi Gill

We don't have that statistic with us today.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Can you table that with the committee? Yes? Thank you.

What specific countries has IRCC identified frauds from? Is there a predominant country?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

With regard to fraud, it depends on the different streams. The one I can speak to where we did a—

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I just want to know a country. I don't have a lot of time.

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

India is one of the top countries where we identify fraud.

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you.

You also said in your testimony that 8% of students are non-compliant and have disappeared in Canada with study permits. That works out to, by my math, about 79,000, based on data from end-of-year 2024. Do you know where these people are?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

I'd like to clarify that I mentioned that 8% of the students we asked for compliance information from were potentially non-compliant. In terms of the total number of students from whom we asked for compliance, that results in potentially 47,175.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Where are they?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

We have not yet determined whether or not they are fully non-compliant. These are initial results that the institutions provide to us.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Could you find them if they are compliant?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

Any foreign national in Canada would be under the purview of the Canada Border Services Agency. They have an inland investigation team.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Okay, so how do you know if your measures are effective?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

We are constantly collecting that data. As I mentioned—

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

You share data with CBSA—

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

We do share data with CBSA.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

—but you don't know where they are, if they're compliant.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

If they are compliant—

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Or non-compliant.

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

—they would be registered in the post-secondary institution—

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Okay. I've heard enough.

How many right now are fully non-compliant?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

I don't have that number.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Can you provide that to the committee?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Aiesha Zafar

That would be a challenging number, because once we—

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

If you don't know how many are non-compliant, how can you track them and remove them?