Evidence of meeting #44 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was training.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Guénette  Vice-President, National Affairs, Canadian Federation of Independent Business
Chan  Advocacy and Communications Officer, Hong Kong Watch
Bourdages  Chief Executive Officer, Scierie St-Elzéar inc.
Walker  Chief Executive Officer, Business + Higher Education Roundtable
Conley  Director, Government Relations, Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters
Chalmers  Senior Vice-President, Mining Association of Canada
McKean  Chief Officer, Research and Development, Business + Higher Education Roundtable

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Good afternoon, everyone.

Welcome to meeting number 44 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

Today's meeting is public and taking place in a hybrid format.

Before I get into our proceedings, I want to mention two announcements off the top.

The first is that Mr. Redekopp had very smartly introduced a motion in a previous meeting that looked at anonymous donors. I indicated that I had sent an email on July 19 over to the Liaison Committee. I did indeed send a letter July 19. I thought I had included that element in it. I did not. It did come before discussion at Liaison Committee yesterday. I raised this point and mentioned that I had forgotten to put it in. I indicated that you had raised that as an issue, and we also believed it was an issue.

I just want to correct that for the record, Mr. Redekopp. Know that it is something that is being looked at and discussed at Liaison Committee.

Next I want to mention the study of immigration systems in Migration Five and G7 countries. I want to have a suggestion from the vice-chairs and Mr. Fragiskatos, who's not here. I think we need to better define the scope in the context of the study. How are we going to begin? What are we going to start with? I'm not sure if we're going to have time to start it before the holidays, but I just wanted to say that, if we can get a little bit more direction in terms of witnesses, that would be really helpful. I just want to put that out there.

Before we begin the continuation of our study on attracting and empowering global talent to strengthen Canada's economy, my understanding is we have a motion to entertain.

Who would like to present it?

Go ahead, Ms. Rempel Garner.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you, Chair.

I move:

That, upon the tabling of Supplementary Estimates (B), 2026-27 in the House of Commons, the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, along with the appropriate officials from the Department of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada and the Immigration and Refugee Board be invited to appear for two hours; and that this meeting take place at least five calendar days before the Supplementary Estimates are to be reported.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Madam Chair?

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Yes, Mr. Jackson.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

I have an amendment to that motion.

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

What is that amendment?

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

And that the committee also invite the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, along with the appropriate officials from the Department of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada and the Immigration and Refugee Board, to appear before the committee in an additional meeting for two hours in relation to the 2027-2029 Immigration Levels Plan, and that this meeting be held no later than December 11, 2026.

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Thank you, Mr. Jackson.

Thank you, Ms. Rempel Garner.

Is there any discussion on the amendment to the motion? No?

I think we will have a vote on the amendment by show of hands.

Do you agree the with amendment to the motion?

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

(Amendment agreed to)

Now we go back to the vote on the motion as amended.

(Motion as amended agreed to)

Thanks for everybody's patience in doing that.

We now turn to what I believe will be our last session on attracting and empowering global talent to strengthen Canada's economy.

We have two panels during this first hour. We have three witnesses. Two are with us, and one is online.

From the Canadian Federation of Independent Business, we have Jasmin Guénette, vice-president of national affairs. From Hong Kong Watch, we have Mr. Landson Chan, advocacy and communications officer. With us online from Scierie St-Elzéar, we have Christian Bourdages, the director general.

Welcome to everyone.

Welcome, Mr. Bourdages.

Every witness will have five minutes to make their presentation.

Mr. Guénette, you have the floor for five minutes.

Jasmin Guénette Vice-President, National Affairs, Canadian Federation of Independent Business

Good afternoon.

I will make my remarks first in French and then in English.

My name is Jasmin Guénette. I'm the vice-president of national affairs at the Canadian Federation of Independent Business. We represent more than 103,000 small and medium-sized businesses, or SMEs, across the country. Our policies are determined by our members, who come from every economic sector and region of Canada.

We would like to thank the committee for this kind invitation to appear.

For small businesses, immigration is not a theoretical or political debate. It's about survival, growth and competitiveness. Despite the economic slowdown of recent years, labour shortages continue to limit the ability of many SMEs to increase sales and production. In 2026, shortages of skilled and unskilled workers remain among the top barriers to growth for Canadian businesses. The challenges are particularly substantial in rural areas and small communities. In this context, immigration workers play a critical role for many SMEs.

According to our research, 76% of businesses that have used the temporary foreign worker program say it has allowed them to meet customer demand. Sixty-one per cent of respondents say the program has helped their businesses grow; two-thirds say the program has improved productivity; and more than half say the program has even allowed them to stay in business and help keep Canadian workers employed.

Canada's immigration system should not focus on simply attracting talent. It must also do a better job of retaining the talent that is already here. Too many temporary foreign workers have filled chronic labour shortages, integrated into their communities and contributed to local economies only to find themselves facing an uncertain future when their permits expire.

For many small businesses, these workers are trusted team members and critical contributors to business operations. This is why CFIB is recommending that the federal government create a genuine pathway to permanent residence for temporary foreign workers who have already been in Canada for at least 18 months.

We believe that workers who have demonstrated their ability to participate successfully in the Canadian labour market should have a clear and predictable route toward permanent residency. When a small business has already demonstrated a need for labour and when a foreign worker has been employed for 18 months, paid taxes, contributed to the community and met a real need in the labour market, the system should encourage the worker to stay, rather than leave.

Such a policy would generate benefits on multiple fronts.

First, it would help address persistent labour shortages, particularly in sectors and regions where recruitment challenges remain severe.

Second, it would increase economic productivity by allowing employers to retain experienced workers instead of repeatedly restarting costly recruitment and training processes.

Third, it would provide greater certainty for workers and employers alike, while strengthening communities that depend on population growth and workforce stability.

Thank you. I look forward to your questions.

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Thank you, Mr. Guénette.

Now we will have five minutes for Mr. Chan.

Landson Chan Advocacy and Communications Officer, Hong Kong Watch

Thank you, Madam Chair and members of the committee, for the opportunity to appear today.

My name is Landson Chan. I represent Hong Kong Watch. I would like to speak about a group of global talents Canada has already attracted and is now at risk of losing: applicants under the Hong Kong pathway.

Canada created this pathway in response to the erosion of freedoms in Hong Kong. It offers recent graduates and skilled workers a faster route to permanent residence. Because it requires Canadian education or work experience, every applicant has already studied or worked here, built ties to our communities and contributed to our economy.

However, the pathway is not working as intended. As of June 22, 2026, 34,150 people were waiting for permanent residence through the pathway. The 2026 admission target is just 800. At that rate, clearing the queue would take more than 40 years. Meanwhile, the open work permit that supports these applicants ends in May 2029. That deadline creates uncertainty for workers and employers alike. It also weakens Canada's ability to keep the skills it has already gained.

The clearest cost is in health care. Among these applicants are Hong Kong-trained doctors. To practise here, they need Canadian residency training, and residency requires permanent residence. Every year they wait is a year they are not serving Canadian patients. The pathway also includes experienced professionals in health care, community services, technology and finance. Many are mid-career. Express entry is not a realistic alternative for them, because the point system reduces scores with age, regardless of expertise or leadership.

The uncertainty is also hurting Canadian businesses. Our casework shows what long-term reliance on temporary permits really costs. One applicant works for a global software and AI company and has paid more than $83,000 in Canadian income tax. Her work permit renewal was refused while she was abroad on mandatory business travel, putting her job at risk. Another lost four months of work after a refusal, before her new application was approved. Her employer, a small Canadian business, had to delay customer deliveries and halt operations. A third applicant was refused because her medical information was considered missing, even though she had submitted it. The decision was later reversed. In the meantime, her work in AI, data and business expansion stalled. She could not travel or attend industry events. Her employer put two planned hires on hold.

Each of these cases was eventually approved, but a late approval cannot recover lost work, lost productivity or jobs that were never created.

We recommend three measures. First, we recommend temporarily reallocating admission targets from the refugee and protected persons category to the humanitarian and compassionate and other category, setting the target at 31,000 in both 2027 and 2028, with priority for existing applicants under the three public policies, including the Hong Kong pathway. Second, prioritize permanent residence for doctors under the Hong Kong pathway, with a dedicated draw within existing economic immigration targets. Third, introduce a targeted express entry measure for pathway applicants living in Canada, either 80 to 100 additional comprehensive ranking points or a dedicated draw with a cut-off score of 460, with spaces allocated within existing economic immigration targets.

The Hong Kong pathway reflects Canada's democratic values. Its success also matters to our economy. These applicants have invested in Canada through their studies, their skills and their hard work. Giving them a stable future will turn that commitment into lasting benefits for Canadian patients, businesses and communities.

Canada has attracted this talent. Now we must empower it to stay and thrive.

Thank you. I welcome your questions.

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Thank you so much, Mr. Chan.

Mr. Bourdages, thank you for your patience.

You now have five minutes for your opening remarks.

Christian Bourdages Chief Executive Officer, Scierie St-Elzéar inc.

Thank you.

Members of the committee, good afternoon. Thank you for inviting us.

My name is Christian Bourdages. I represent Scierie St-Elzéar Inc., and I will give you a brief overview of our labour reality.

We operate a softwood lumber sawmill equipped with dryers, as well as a planing mill in Saint-Elzéar, Gaspé. We provide 90 full-time, stable jobs in our community. The average annual salary in 2026 is $71,000.

We are located in the southern part of the Gaspé Peninsula, in the Bonaventure RCM, which has a population of about 18,000. This means the demographic pool is limited.

We also tried to recruit people in the major centres. The results speak for themselves: of the many people recruited, only two still work for us. Retention is very low.

I'll give you the job profiles in our company: 4% require a university education, 7% require a college education, 45% require a diploma of vocational studies, or DVS, and 44% require a business education. With the rise of equipment automation, jobs requiring a DVS or college training are trending.

The average age of our workers is 45. In a region where the pool is limited, ensuring succession is a daily challenge. Given this context, over the last four years, we have taken on five temporary foreign workers. They have professional diplomas from their home country. It took them a few months to adapt, but the results are there.

In short, we offer quality jobs accessible through skills and business training in a region where labour is limited and recruitment in major centres is challenging. We need immigration programs that value foreign credentials, as well as the settlement of these immigrants in remote areas.

Thank you. I look forward to your questions.

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Thank you, Mr. Bourdages.

Now we will turn to rounds of questions. The first rounds of questions are six minutes each, and we begin with Mr. Redekopp.

Go ahead

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you to all the witnesses for being here today. I appreciate your time.

Mr. Chan, the Liberal government made a promise through the Hong Kong pathways program. This program invited Hong Kongers who were feeling threatened by the CCP to relocate to Canada if they fulfilled certain conditions. Then they would be given PR status in Canada.

Do Hong Kongers feel like they were lied to by the government?

3:45 p.m.

Advocacy and Communications Officer, Hong Kong Watch

Landson Chan

They definitely feel pressure, especially because their children cannot attend school in some circumstances. They only have an admission target of 800 for 2026, while we have 34,000 people waiting. They are already here. They are working. They are paying taxes. They are integrated into our society. They love Canada. They would love to stay. They came to Canada, in the original commitment of faster priority processing with the Hong Kong pathway, back in 2021.

When the Canadian government developed this public policy, they came here to call Canada home. They expect to stay here long term. They would love to contribute to Canada continuously, but now they're hearing about a 40-year wait.

Most of the committee's members are disappointed with this current situation.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

A 40-year wait sounds like a joke. It doesn't even sound real.

If it's going to be that long of a wait, can these people simply give up and go back to Hong Kong?

3:45 p.m.

Advocacy and Communications Officer, Hong Kong Watch

Landson Chan

No, many of them cannot go back to Hong Kong, actually.

Right now, we have a temporary open work permit measure that ends in May 2029, so they're not sure what to do if the wait is 40 years. They're not sure where to go. They have a job here and their families are here. They volunteer with our HongKonger Community Centre and they volunteer at other community services as well, so they make more than just monetary contributions. They are also contributing to our community.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

Why can't they go back to Hong Kong?

3:50 p.m.

Advocacy and Communications Officer, Hong Kong Watch

Landson Chan

Freedom in Hong Kong has eroded. Right now, they cannot go back to Hong Kong because freedom of the press and freedom of speech no longer exist in Hong Kong. It's non-existent there. We're seeing that oppression is becoming more severe, so they cannot go back to Hong Kong. Many of them did not plan to go back to Hong Kong when they came to Canada.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

The Canadian government invited people to come to Canada from Hong Kong. People who came here in good faith through these programs were promised PR. It's not realistic for them to go back for a variety of reasons, safety being one of the big ones, and now they're stuck here, waiting for 40 years, which doesn't seem like what the government promised them in the first place.

What kinds of difficulties does potentially losing their work permits create for them here as they stay in Canada? What are some of the problems that this causes?

3:50 p.m.

Advocacy and Communications Officer, Hong Kong Watch

Landson Chan

The most severe one, I would say, is that children.... In one of the cases that I work on, the children cannot go to school and the husband cannot work due to an administrative error. Right now, these cases are just hanging there.

They are trying to get PR. They actually applied in 2024 in this case, but right now, because the admission target is about 800 for 2026, their PR is not being approved, and they're not sure if they can wait 40 years with that permit not being approved.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

What I find interesting is that this is a little bit different from other cases of non-citizens coming to Canada. In this case, the government actually reached out and specifically invited you, and I think it's also true of the Ukrainians and Sudanese who were specifically invited to come to Canada in return for PR. To me, that's a little different from the case of somebody who chooses to come to Canada of their own volition. This was more of an invitation.

That's why this is, to me, a little bit different. I find it shocking that the government would then basically renege on its promise and allow only 800 of you to get PR status every year.

It's important for all of us to remember that you mentioned the number 34,150, I think, of Hong Kongers who are here in Canada. We're not talking about new people coming into the country; we're just talking about people who are already here in Canada. Interestingly, we are still admitting UN refugees, for example, into Canada at the same time. These are new people who aren't in Canada, and we're still bringing them in, even though we have people like Hong Kongers who are are already here but are not being processed.

I'm intrigued by your idea about temporarily reallocating some of the slots that that we have allocated to asylum seekers and refugees to deal with Hong Kongers who are already in Canada. How exactly do you think that would work?