Evidence of meeting #36 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was nunavut.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Belinda Webb  Director, Social, Cultural and Economic Development Department, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami
Gordon Miles  Coordinator, National Economic Development Committee for Inuit Nanangat, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami
Mary Hurley  Committee Researcher

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Welcome to the committee members and to our witnesses. This is the 36th meeting of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development. Our agenda today deals with northern economic development.

This morning, we welcome Ms. Belinda Webb, Director of the Social, Cultural and Economic Development Department and Mr. Gordon Miles, Coordinator of the National Economic Development Committee for Inuit Nanangat.

Members will see that we have only one organization with us today. It's a very important voice for the Inuit of Canada, and very important to our study considering the obstacles and barriers to development in our north, for and on behalf of northerners.

Ms. Webb, we'll begin with you and then go directly to members' questions. You have the floor for 10 minutes. If you need a little more time today, that's fine.

Please proceed. Welcome.

11:05 a.m.

Belinda Webb Director, Social, Cultural and Economic Development Department, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami

Thank you very much.

Thank you for the opportunity to sit and talk with you today in regard to economic development, specifically with Inuit. As mentioned, my name is Belinda Webb and I'm the director for the social, cultural and economic development department within Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami. ITK is the national Inuit organization, and we represent the four Inuit land claims in Canada. These are Nunatsiavut, which is the region I'm from, which is northern Labrador; Nunavik, which is northern Quebec; Nunavut; and Inuvialuit, which is part of the Northwest Territories.

For my presentation I will discuss five needs and suggest some solutions in regard to economic development for Inuit Nunangat. Just to give you a highlight, those five particular needs are the need to treat Inuit Nunangat as one region; the need to recognize the realities in Inuit Nunangat; the need for flexibility; the need to implement the land claims; and the need to develop collaborative management policies and procedures.

First, there is the need to treat Inuit Nunangat as one region. As previously mentioned, it's the four Inuit land claim regions of Canada that we represent. The process of political development in Canada has had the effect of establishing jurisdictional barriers that have historically been at odds with the political and economic development objectives of Inuit Nunangat. This is most clearly seen in the federal government's arbitrary policy of making distinctions between the regions that are north of 60, which would include two of our regions, Inuvialuit and Nunavut, and those south of 60, which would include Nunavik and Nunatsiavut.

I'm aware that in your current mandate for your study you're just studying the three territories, so I'd highly suggest that you also incorporate the other two Inuit regions that we have that aren't within your current mandate for your study, which as previously mentioned are Nunavik and Nunatsiavut. The reason is that the reality is that all of the regions within Inuit Nunangat share the Arctic environment as well as a common heritage, culture, and language. The settlement of comprehensive land claims agreements throughout Inuit Nunangat means that they all share a similar legal and regulatory framework. Inuit Nunangat claimant groups have developed effective mechanisms, both through their agreements and in terms of program delivery, to establish effective partnership agreements with their respective provincial and territorial governments and counterparts.

So a federal framework that treated Inuit Nunangat as one region from a policy perspective would demonstrate an understanding of these underlying realities and enhance the efficiency and effectiveness of federal community economic development program delivery.

The second need is to recognize the realities of Inuit Nunangat. One of the greatest barriers Inuit face is a lack of understanding of the total environment within which Inuit are trying to promote business and economic development. Programs that don't fit or people who don't understand the realities of the north are two of the major obstacles that Inuit deal with on a daily basis.

Significant time and effort have been spent over the past several decades to explain, educate, and enlighten people about the realities in Inuit Nunangat. Inuit share a common heritage, a long history of living in the Arctic, but a very short history of participation in a typically southern style of economy. Across Inuit Nunangat there is an immature Inuit business economy and a large infrastructure deficit when compared to the rest of Canada.

Another barrier to economic development in the Arctic is the lack of understanding of the cost of doing business in Inuit Nunangat and the impact of these costs on economic development. In addition to the increased costs, the purchasing power is diminished, the need for client equity is increased, markets are extremely limited, and opportunities, especially as defined in a southern context, are few.

Third is the need for flexibility. Government support for economic development in Inuit Nunangat must be based on sound principles but must also include the flexibility required to allow it to respond to the different governance styles in place. It must also recognize that each of the comprehensive land claims agreements are somewhat different and that arrangements and planning practices already exist between claimant organizations and the respective provincial and territorial governments.

Programs must be timely and must respond to the timelines imposed by sealift or ice road requirements. High costs and the lack of infrastructure require an increased level of cooperation between all levels of government, the private sector, Inuit institutions, and other partners that are identified.

All parties must work to remove unnecessary restrictions, to make accommodations for others, and to seek to streamline the process to maximize the return for the communities. Opportunities must be defined within the context of remote Arctic communities. They cannot match the definition used in southern Canada.

The fourth need is to implement land claims agreements. The Indian Act does not apply to Inuit Nunangat. The five comprehensive land claims agreements provide the principles on which the federal government must deal with Inuit land claims organizations. Each of the comprehensive land claims agreements is unique, and the responsibility for implementation varies from agreement to agreement. But in every agreement, the negotiators have clearly understood the necessity and importance of clearly identifying the role of the federal government in the process.

Unfortunately, the record on claims implementation has not been acceptable to the Inuit organizations. The Nunatsiavut agreement is still new, and we hope their experience is a more positive one. That said, the comprehensive land claim agreement holders continue to work at improving the understanding of the reality of Inuit Nunangat while hoping that this will lead to implementation as outlined in their agreements.

Fifth is the need for collaborative management. All key areas of responsibility within Inuit Nunangat agreements, such as wildlife management, land use planning, environmental assessment, and project review regimes, are based on principles of co-management. The spirit and intent of these agreements should also be reflected in the development of policies and programs and arrangements directed towards addressing community economic development needs throughout Inuit Nunangat.

The establishment of the National Economic Development Committee for Inuit Nunangat, with Inuit, Inuvialuit, and government representatives as full members, represents an opportunity to move forward in a collaborative manner to develop practical strategies for addressing current and future economic development needs and priorities.

In 2006, the Inuit community economic development organizations, or CEDOs, from the four Inuit regions met to discuss common problems. They agreed to work towards a committee made up of the Inuit, Indian and Northern Affairs Canada headquarter personnel, and INAC regional office personnel.

In 2008, an MOU was signed between the INAC deputy minister and Inuit leaders that led, as mentioned, to the formation of the National Economic Development Committee for Inuit Nunangat. The establishment of NEDCIN for Inuit Nunangat, with Inuit, Inuvialuit, and government representatives as full members, represents an opportunity to move forward in a collaborative manner.

The first meeting of NEDCIN was held in April, and a work plan was approved that identified a number of priorities. The areas I have listed above were all included in this particular work plan. The Inuit members of the NEDCIN prepared an Inuit response to the proposed federal framework on aboriginal economic development. When the Regional Economic Development Agency, also known as CanNor, was announced, the Inuit members of NEDCIN prepared an Inuit position on the agency and how it might be structured to meet our common challenges.

In addition to those documents, other draft documents have been prepared on the following items: the cost of doing business in Inuit Nunangat, the discussion paper on collaborative management, the Inuit need for multi-year funding agreements, economic development implications of the comprehensive land claim agreements, what community economic development means in Inuit Nunangat, and urban Inuit access to economic development support and funding.

These papers and a number of others in the works are designed to explain, educate, and provide a road map to guide all the partners in Inuit Nunangat over, around, through, or under the barriers facing Inuit. Collaborative management is one of the best ways to identify and respond to the unique set of circumstances found in Inuit Nunangat. Inuit have survived for thousands of years in an Arctic environment by working together to solve common challenges. NEDCIN provides a new vehicle to build on that process. When you're looking at economic development specifically through the Inuit perspective, you need to regard all our land claim agreements, including Nunatsiavut, Nunavik, Nunavut, and Inuvialuit.

As previously mentioned, with me today is Gordon Miles, who is the coordinator of the NEDCIN committee.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Thank you very much, Ms. Webb.

I'll first apologize. While I was quick in my rather broken French to introduce you and your positions, I neglected to say what organization you were from. Please accept my apologies.

I thank you both very much for attending.

We'll go directly to questions from members, and we'll begin with Mr. Russell for seven minutes.

Witnesses, the way we do this is we have seven minutes for questions and responses. The more succinct you can keep your responses and, members, your questions, the more material we can get through. We appreciate your indulgence in that respect.

Mr. Russell, for seven minutes.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and good morning to each of you.

Belinda, it's good to see you. Of course I know Belinda's family from down in Maine, and she has many relatives in Labrador. It's good to see you. Hopefully all your folks are doing well and I'll get a chance to visit them in the not-too-distant future.

Good morning as well to Mr. Miles.

First of all, I'll offer a note of congratulations on November 7 as International Inuit Day, a celebration of the Inuit throughout the Arctic, in Russia, Greenland, Alaska, and Canada. I believe it was proclaimed back in 2007. It certainly highlights the great contribution of Inuit throughout Canada, and of course I know that first-hand in Labrador.

I wanted to focus on a couple of items. You talked about the need for collaborative arrangements for working together. In essence, the land claims often define these arrangements through co-management boards and other types of mechanisms. This is so fundamental from a process perspective and from an outcomes perspective.

The federal government released two major pieces of their policy. One is the federal framework for aboriginal economic development and the other is the northern strategy. What type of involvement have ITK had in terms of the development of those policies? Are they reflective of the values, concerns, and interests of ITK? Are they of any use to Inuit throughout the region? I want to know, through that prism, if there has been a collaborative effort in the development of the framework, which is specifically on aboriginal economic development, and the northern strategy, which has elements of social and economic development.

My other question stems from a comment that was made by Belinda about recognizing the realities. I don't believe anybody around the table would quarrel with the fact that there is a tremendous need for investments in infrastructure, whether that be housing or more public types of infrastructure such as docks, for instance, for shipping, as well as social infrastructure such as schools and education. Do you think the investments to date are going to address the issues around housing and education? How do you see the lack of physical and social infrastructure as a barrier to economic development?

Those are my two questions. One is on the collaborative nature of it, and the other is on infrastructure.

11:20 a.m.

Gordon Miles Coordinator, National Economic Development Committee for Inuit Nanangat, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami

Thank you very much.

Mr. Russell, those are very good questions.

Starting with the co-management, the Inuit members—or the Inuit caucus, if you will—of NEDCIN prepared a paper that identified about 11 to 12 Inuit needs that should play a role in a new federal framework for AED. That paper was presented last January, it was discussed, and when the federal framework was released, the principles in that paper reflected the Inuit position for the most part.

We were pleased with that, but there is a next step, and that is the program redesign that will take place over the next year. NEDCIN is a joint committee. It's Inuit, but it also includes the INAC headquarters people as well as the INAC regional people, and with the advent of CanNor, we hope to include CanNor in that process.

As you mentioned, co-management is included in all of the land claims. In the land claims it's mentioned, and there are specifically sections on wildlife and resource management. Economic development is not part of that generally, so what NEDCIN has said—and Inuit members of NEDCIN—is that we need to ensure that the same principle is adopted as we move forward. NEDCIN itself is based on the principles of getting together, identifying the challenges, and then working to come up with solutions that satisfy all the parties.

On the northern strategy that was released—and Belinda may want to address that more, because it doesn't deal specifically with economic development—NEDCIN's point of view was that, again, in principle it was good. We wanted to ensure that all the four Inuit regions were included in that northern strategy, and that was not there in the initial documentation. Subsequently it was included.

One of the first needs Belinda mentioned in her presentation was the need to treat Inuit Nunangat as one region. And why is that important? It's important because in all of Canada there are about 55,000 Inuit or Inuvialuit, and they share the common history, the heritage, the language, and the Arctic environment. Many of the problems they face are across all four regions, and they're all very much different from those of southern Canada and non-remote communities. There are very few roads in Inuit Nunangat, and most communities are fly-in or perhaps accessible by water in the summer months or by ice road in the winter.

On the second question, on recognizing the realities and the infrastructure deficit, one of the needs the Inuit brought forward is the need to have a good understanding of the socio-economic impacts of infrastructures and the infrastructure deficit. You mentioned the housing initiative, and that's very important. That has been handled in different ways between the Northwest Territories and Nunavut, but in each case the deficit is being addressed.

Is there enough money? No. The reality is that there's a huge need for more infrastructure. From a nation-building point of view, there are costs that have to be identified beyond what is realistic on a per capita basis. In the north, we talk about sovereignty and we talk about the fact that the Inuit have been there for thousands of years. They need the infrastructure that southern Canada has come to expect as normal.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Okay.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

We'll have to call it at that. They were good questions.

Mr. Lemay, you have seven minutes.

11:25 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

MPs receive all kinds of documents, and they read them too, which is in itself a good thing. I received a document called Building Inuit Nunaat—The Inuit Action Plan. I received it in English only. It was dated February 5, 2007.

Has it been translated?

11:25 a.m.

Director, Social, Cultural and Economic Development Department, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami

Belinda Webb

No, it hasn't been.

11:25 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Was it sent to everyone or just to some MPs? Who did it go to?

11:25 a.m.

Director, Social, Cultural and Economic Development Department, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami

Belinda Webb

I'm not 100% sure, as it's not a document that we sent out prior to this particular meeting. We haven't sent out any documentation.

11:25 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

I know that you did not send us the document; your president, Mary Simon, sent it to us on September 2, 2009. Let me read you the letter that came with it. Do not assume that MPs do not read; you would be surprised. I am going to give you a free translation: this document was prepared in collaboration with several organizations. Our intent is to provide development for the future.

Has this document been officially submitted to the federal government? If it has, is anyone using it as a reason to send us lots of documents on northern development?

You can tell Ms. Simon that the document is very well done. It describes the needs in detail. Apart from MPs, has anyone else in the federal government received it?

11:25 a.m.

Coordinator, National Economic Development Committee for Inuit Nanangat, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami

Gordon Miles

I don't know, but I will make this comment.

I know that INAC officials have received it and I know that when we were preparing the MOU and the Inuit position on the federal framework for aboriginal economic development, the Inuit action plan provided the road map. It is a broader plan, if you will. NEDCIN wants to look at economic development for the most part from a community economic development perspective. The Inuit action plan is a much broader document that encompasses everything from health and education to economic development, the full range of the government products and services.

11:25 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Miles, you are right to the extent that it seems to me to be essential for each MP to have a copy of the document before going to Iqaluit, to Nunavut. I am going to go to Nunavut, but I cannot go to Yellowknife.

Could you send it to us? I understand that it will be difficult to get it translated, but the document contains so much information and is so well done that it seems to me to be essential for MPs to have a copy before they go to Nunavut.

Ms. Hurley, do you have a copy of it?

11:30 a.m.

Mary Hurley Committee Researcher

I do not have that document at the moment.

11:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Is it available somewhere in the government?

11:30 a.m.

Committee Researcher

Mary Hurley

It is on-line.

11:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Is it in both languages?

11:30 a.m.

Committee Researcher

11:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Is it possible to have it translated?

Thank you very much. We can send the bill to Mr. Strahl. You can tell him so.

I would like to know what stage your relations with Nunavut are at. You mentioned four organizations. It is really well integrated. Is there an agreement between those four organizations to develop the north together?

I do not want this to come as a surprise to you. I know the answer to this; I am a lawyer. In Appendix IV of the document, a “Partnership Accord” between all those good people is mentioned. It was signed on May 31, 2005.

Are all the parties implementing this accord? Is the federal government aware of it?

11:30 a.m.

Director, Social, Cultural and Economic Development Department, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami

Belinda Webb

From my understanding—I can also do a follow-up within the organization—when that particular agreement was signed.... The way Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami works is that our board of directors consists of the presidents of the four land claim agreements. At all of our meetings, those presidents are present, and any economic development items or areas of concern are often discussed at that table.

With regard to implementation of the actual agreement, we have been working with the Inuit Relations Secretariat on trying to improve some of the items that are in that particular agreement.

11:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

We have to avoid a duplication of effort.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Mr. Lemay, your time is up.

11:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

I will come back to this.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Thank you.

We'll carry on with Mr. Duncan from the Conservative Party.

Mr. Duncan, you have seven minutes.