Evidence of meeting #54 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was commission.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Richard Saunders  Chairman, Cree-Naskapi Commission
Philip Awashish  Commissioner, Cree-Naskapi Commission
Robert Kanatewat  Commissioner, Cree-Naskapi Commission
Jeffrey Cyr  Executive Director, National Association of Friendship Centres
Conrad Saulis  Policy Director, National Association of Friendship Centres

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Good morning, everyone. It's great to see you all here this morning on what is sure to be a busy day here on Parliament Hill.

We're delighted to have back the Cree-Naskapi Commission. We have the chair, Richard Saunders, as well as two of the commissioners of the commission, Mr. Philip Awashish and Mr. Robert Kanatewat.

You'll know, members, that we had representatives before this committee earlier in this Parliament, and we welcome them back today for this, our study of the 2010 report of the commission.

We have a full hour. As is customary, Chair Saunders, we go ahead with ten minutes for your presentation. You're welcome to have your colleagues take any part of that, as you may wish, and then we'll go to questions from members.

So go ahead with your opening presentation, and welcome again.

8:45 a.m.

Richard Saunders Chairman, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members.

We appreciate the opportunity of coming back to the committee. We find these are very useful in making us focus very clearly on what's important and what you need to hear, and on what's not so important and can be left to be read. It's also very good because it focuses the attention of other policy-makers in government that we deal with on some critical issues.

Mr. Chairman, with your permission, I'll concentrate on some of the highlights from the chairman's remarks in the report. I'll elaborate on a couple of those that need some elaboration. My colleagues will deal with an executive summary of our other findings and recommendations.

First of all, it's approaching two years since we were before the committee, and during that time there's been some good news, rather than problems. There have been problems too, but there's been some good news and I'd like to report on that first. As you know, there were some amendments to the Cree-Naskapi (of Quebec) Act immediately following our last presentation here. We know that members did a lot to expedite those and move them forward. We very much appreciate that sort of progress and focus.

Since then, there have been two additional agreements made between the Cree and Naskapi nations and others. One is the Eeyou Marine Region Land Claims Agreement. Under that agreement between the Cree of Eeyou Istchee and the Government of Canada, the islands offshore and inshore along the eastern coast of James Bay and Hudson Bay, which were not included in the original James Bay agreement because they weren't in Quebec—they're technically in Nunavut—are traditional Cree territory. We're happy to see that there's an agreement in which those islands, for the most part, are now within Cree jurisdiction. That's an excellent development. They're still within Nunavut, but they're now essentially part of the Cree governance in Eeyou Istchee. That's a very positive development.

On the part of the Naskapi nation, a new Naskapi–Quebec partnership agreement deals with some community development issues and some economic development issues between the province and the Naskapi of Kawawachikamach. That's another good development.

So there's been progress in negotiations and successful conclusion of negotiations in those two areas.

The amendments to the act, which were passed by Parliament shortly after our last meeting, include the full recognition of the Crees of Oujé-Bougoumou as a Cree band within the meaning of both the Cree-Naskapi Act and the James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement. That had been outstanding for more than 20 years, and it's good to see that concluded.

One work in progress is the recognition of the final group of Crees, who are not included in either way—the Washaw Sibi Eeyou Cree. They are currently moving forward on becoming recognized as the final Cree band in Eeyou Istchee, and we look forward to having some good news on that to report, hopefully soon.

Some problems continue to exist in housing, and I think this committee is very familiar with the problems manifested across the country. On-reserve housing continues to be a problem. It continues to be a problem for the Cree. We have highlighted what we think are some reasons for that. Part of it is in fact the success of the Cree. Young people in the Cree communities have a 95% retention rate. That's unheard of in first nations across the country. Young people stay in the communities or return to them, form families, and consequently the demand for housing is very high.

The Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development uses a formula that's based on regions. The housing formula, and the money available under that formula, is determined region by region.

It's certainly true that housing conditions in the Alberta region are different from those in the maritime region. That's fair enough. We argue that within Quebec a regional formula that encompasses all of Quebec is inappropriate given the very high level of family formation and retention of young people in the Cree communities. That needs to be looked at. They ought to be looking at demographics specific to the Crees.

Problems continue in a number of other areas. There are needs for further amendments to the Cree-Naskapi Act to deal with local government issues. There's the problem of quorums. We've mentioned it before at this committee. The act requires fairly high-level quorums to approve things as simple as a transfer of land from a Cree community to, say, the Cree school board. Now, that's not the kind of issue where you're going to get a huge turnout of voters. Some of those quorums need to be looked at again.

Those issues are being moved forward by the Grand Council of the Crees, Eeyou Istchee, in terms of their further discussions with the Government of Canada on Cree governance. So that will move forward.

A couple of other developments are probably of interest. The Cree have long had a traditional Eeyou hunting law that covered a lot more than hunting. It was a traditional and customary law for the management of Cree resources. A tallyman played a key role. Stewardship of the land, for example, was a major concern of that.

My colleague Philip Awashish has now completed developing, on behalf of the Cree, the traditional Eeyou hunting law document, which I think is a major development.

There's one other thing I would mention. We as a commission have begun to understand some of the issues around administrative law and its interface with aboriginal and treaty rights and the newly evolving law coming from the courts and elsewhere relating to aboriginal and treaty rights.

The body of administrative law that's been developed in this country is very effective. It's based on English law concepts. It's based to some extent on European concepts of natural justice. It works pretty well for such things as the Immigration and Refugee Board, the Ontario Municipal Board, and the Ottawa taxi commission. There are some good principles there, and they work reasonably well. Some of them, which are regarded as fairly basic among those commissions and boards, don't work particularly well for aboriginal communities.

When we began in 1986, we were the only aboriginal commission, tribunal, or board of our sort legislatively based in Canada. Now there are about 50. So the issue of the need to reconcile administrative law as it's generally understood around Canada with aboriginal and treaty rights is becoming important. We've been doing some work with colleague organizations around the country about that. Our mandate clearly does not extend to doing very much outside of our territory. We've been in discussions with AFN about picking up the ball on that issue and doing some of the moving forward on that. We'll have further discussions with them.

We found there's an interest in this across the country in other aboriginal boards, tribunals, commissions--particularly, obviously, those that have some administrative law responsibility. We expect to be able to report back at some point in the near future on some progress in that area.

I'll just give you a very quick example of the areas where that doesn't work too well. It's a normal principle of administrative law that if I appear before a board that's adjudicating my rights or dealing with an application I've made or something of that sort, I don't expect to see sitting on the board the opposing party's mother-in-law. That's a basic principle. It works quite well. It's a shortcut to getting fairness at least in terms of not being a judge in one's own case, or in the case of one's relatives or friends.

However, if you look at this commission and the folks appearing before us, the chances that neither Philip nor Robert nor I will know them fairly well are remote. You're looking at 15,000 people; chances are we know most of the leadership, and we know a lot of people who aren't leaders. When a group appears before us, chances are we'll know some of them. One of my colleagues could possibly be related to them.

When you look at administrative law bodies in smaller communities of several hundred or a couple of thousand, the chances go up that somebody's related to somebody, or they had an old business relationship, or they went to school together, or they had an affair 20 years ago, or whatever. There's frequently some connection. So you have to find other ways of getting to fairness than by saying that nobody related to you can be on a board. It involves greater transparency about reasons for decision-making, very likely, greater transparency about the process that goes on within the board or commission, and greater availability to the parties of all--and I mean all--the relevant information.

There may be other approaches. Another example would be the consensus model. We've made hundreds of decisions on this commission, for example, over the years, and only once did we ever actually have a two-to-one vote. We don't have votes normally. We all agree, and that's how it works. It takes a bit of discussion, but that's how it works. That one decision, by the way, was on an internal administrative matter of very little importance.

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

We are quite over the ten-minute mark, there, Mr. Saunders. I didn't know whether either of your colleagues had just a very brief opening comment, and then we'll go to questions, or whether we'll perhaps take--

8:55 a.m.

Chairman, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Richard Saunders

That was actually my last comment.

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Okay.

8:55 a.m.

Chairman, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Richard Saunders

I'm sorry for the overage, Mr. Chair. I'll ask my colleague, Robert Kanatewat, for his comments.

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

We'll hear a very brief comment from each, if you will, and then we'll go directly to questions.

8:55 a.m.

Chairman, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Richard Saunders

Commissioner Awashish will start.

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Mr. Awashish, go ahead, sir.

8:55 a.m.

Philip Awashish Commissioner, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Thank you, members of the committee.

The Cree-Naskapi Commission was established by special federal legislation, the Cree-Naskapi (of Quebec) Act. This act flows from a modern-day treaty. There are actually two treaties, the 1975 James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement and the 1978 Northeastern Quebec Agreement .

The commission established by the act, as I mentioned, has a duty to prepare biannual reports on the implementation of this act to the minister, who shall cause the report to be laid before each house of Parliament. The commission also reports on the implementation of the James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement and the Northeastern Quebec Agreement, as particular sections of these agreements contemplate the powers and duties of the local governments of the Cree-Naskapi first nations.

The present report that we did last year, the 2010 report of the commission, constitutes the 12th biannual report to the commission, pursuant to subsection 165.(1) and in accordance with subsection 171.(1) of the Cree-Naskapi (of Quebec) Act.

The commission holds special implementation hearings to prepare for these reports. These hearings provide an opportunity for representatives of the Cree-Naskapi nations and the Government of Canada to express their concerns and to discuss their issues. The principal comments, issues, and concerns raised by the representatives and noted in the 2010 report of the commission are the following. I believe each member has the executive summary of the 2010 report of the commission. They are listed at the bottom of page 1 and include page 2. So there is a series of these issues and concerns raised by the Cree-Naskapi representatives as well as the federal representatives. I don't think I'll read through them all. I think the members of the committee can very well see there are quite a number of these issues.

The findings and tone of this report are based on the commission's understanding and analysis of the comments, issues, and concerns raised in these hearings. Chapter 1 describes the background, mandate, and activities of the commission. The chapter notes that Bill C-28, an act to amend the Cree-Naskapi (of Quebec) Act, was introduced in the House of Commons on April 27, 2009. Chapter 2 of the report describes the roles and duties of the mandate of the commission in a consolidated manner and as a consequence of the recent amendments to the act. Chapter 3 of the report describes recent developments respecting the Cree Nation governance and the future of Cree Nation governance.

Since its response to the 2002 report of the commission, the Department of Indian Affairs has provided a comprehensive response to the recommendations of the commission. The responses of the department represent an entirely different approach in the dealings with the commission. It appears that the department wants to improve its relations with the commission as well as with the Cree-Naskapi communities. Consequently, the commission reports and comments on these responses of the department in its biannual reports.

Chapter 4 of the present report outlines and comments on the response of the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development to the 2008 report of the commission.

Chapter 5 of the report outlines the issues and concerns of the Cree and Naskapi nations as expressed at the special implementation hearings of the commission. These issues and concerns are outlined in the present executive summary, as I noted earlier.

The commission, in chapter 6 of the present report, discusses the importance and role of the Cree Trappers' Association in relation to the Cree First Nations and the Cree Regional Authority, and in the implementation of section 24, “Hunting, Fishing and Trapping”, of the James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement. In addition, the Cree Trappers' Association has been involved in the development of a written compilation of Cree customary law and practice. In particular, the CTA has engaged in an important exercise regarding the development of Eeyou Indoh-hoh Weeshou-Wehwun, or the traditional Eeyou hunting law. Chapter 6 of the report describes the importance of this development.

In chapter 7 we outline the recommendations for the commission. And I'll let my colleague Commissioner Robert Kanatewat brief you on these recommendations.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Go ahead, Commissioner.

9:05 a.m.

Robert Kanatewat Commissioner, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Thank you.

We're honoured to be in front of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs.

When we first began this commission, we were hardly noticeable as a force in government. We were more or less told that whatever we reported was outside our mandate. Recently it appears that we are gradually being listened to, as we are coming before the House, making these recommendations, and responding to questions.

Our recommendations are what we find in the committee—all the recommendations we've put out in our biannual reports to the House of Commons. The commission submits the following recommendations:

1) The Grand Council of the Crees (Eeyou Istchee)/Cree Regional Authority should have as a priority in these discussions with Canada to seek amendments to the Cree-Naskapi Act pertaining to the quorum provisions of the act, which have seriously hindered the decision-making process of local government and administration.

2) The Grand Council of the Crees (Eeyou Istchee)/Cree Regional Authority should discuss with Canada particular arrangements for the enforcement of bylaws such as: (a) an agreement with Canada for the prosecution of offences under certain federal legislation or regulations if such legislation or regulation is referred to as part of a band's bylaw; (b) adequate support systems to enforce band bylaws; and (c) provision of federal prosecutors or funding for prosecution.

There are several other things that we have been recommending. Some have been noticed and some have been ignored, that is, considered outside our mandate. This is precisely what the commission is looking at to amend some of the Cree-Naskapi Act.

3) The Government of Canada should initiate discussions with the Cree Nation on the question of whether the Corbiere decision of the Supreme Court applies or does not apply to the Cree bands. If the Corbiere decision applies to the Cree bands, then Canada and the Crees must discuss any subsequent amendments to the Cree-Naskapi (of Quebec) Act and its implementation.

4) The Cree Regional Authority and the Crees of the Waskaganish First Nation should determine innovative means of improving the present voting process of the band so as to enable and permit voting by beneficiaries or electors who normally reside outside of the community.

5) Block "D" should be transferred to the Cree Nation of Chisasibi forthwith.

6) Canada and Quebec should enter into discussions with Cree bands and/or the Cree Regional Authority for adequate funding arrangements respecting the costs incurred by bands in complying with the financial reporting requirements of the governments.

7) The federal, Eeyou (Cree), and Naskapi authorities should determine and agree on the present and future needs of the Cree and Naskapi communities for housing and implement a strategic master plan, in the short and long term, to address these needs.

8) Canada, Quebec, and the Cree Regional Authority should determine and agree on the present and future needs of the Cree communities for police services and a Cree justice system and implement a strategic master plan to address these needs.

9) Canada and the Cree Regional Authority should review sections 21 and 22 of the Cree-Naskapi (of Quebec) Act with the objective of seeking amendments to the act in order to enhance and promote local economic development.

10) Canada and the Cree Regional Authority, in collaboration with the Cree bands, should determine innovative measures to ensure efficient collection of rent for band houses and residences.

11) The Grand Council of the Crees (Eeyou Istchee)/Cree Regional Authority and the Cree Nation of Washaw Sibi should establish a process of discussions and planning to enable the realization of the objective of the Cree Nation of Washaw Sibi for the establishment of a distinct Cree community with their own category one lands so that they can receive programs and services at the same level as the Crees in the other nine communities. Canada and/or Quebec should be invited to participate in this process on matters under their respective responsibilities and jurisdiction.

12) Canada and the Cree Regional Authority, in collaboration with the Cree bands, should review the present terms and provisions of the Cree-Naskapi (of Quebec) Act with the objective of seeking amendments to the act to ensure, where practical, compatibility with Eeyou Eehdou-wun, or the Cree way of doing things in governance and administration.

I won't bore you with the rest of it. You have the paper in front of you, I hope.

The recommendations, right up to recommendation 20, were put in our report. We were expecting that some of these things would be responded to and would be implemented. Some of them are very awkward problem areas for the Cree bands in these nine Cree communities that have been established. Pretty soon we're going to have a tenth one.

The 2010 report of the Cree-Naskapi Commission concludes, in chapter 8, that while principal primary authority rests with the local community, the Eeyou Cree Nation of Eeyou also recognizes that in practice, powers and responsibilities would often have to be exercised at higher levels by governmental bodies that represent the entire Cree Nation. The result would be multi-level Cree Nation governments in which authority spreads upwards from the people.

This approach is reflected in the current process, described in chapter 3 of the report, for negotiating an agreement and related legislation concerning a Cree Nation government. Consequently, the Cree Nation of Eeyou Istchee will have a Cree Nation regional government, in addition to the Cree local governments of the communities. This approach appears to be the manner in which the Eeyou Nation of Eeyou Istchee wishes to exercise self-government.

9:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Thank you for your presentations.

Members will now put their questions.

You have seven minutes, Mr. Russell.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good morning to each of you. It's good to have you with us again.

I have a couple of questions, and I'll leave it open to any of you to answer.

First of all, we talk about 12 reports, now spanning something like three decades, or getting up towards that. You talk about the challenge of housing on reserve and about the lack of funding. You say that it's partly the success of the communities that's adding to the pressures on this social need.

What can you observe and say to us today about what those improvements have been? I've never visited some of those communities. I'm just trying to get a firmer sense of how you see the improvements in the social and economic conditions of these communities, with the Cree-Naskapi (of Quebec) Act and the subsequent amendments that have been made. How would you quantify that or qualify that?

My next question, because it was raised at this committee a couple of years ago, is on the status of negotiations regarding the establishment or the creation of the Nunavik regional government. It seemed to be a bit of a contentious issue in terms of at least some of the Naskapi communities within that territorial area. I'm wondering if you could give us an update on where those negotiations are.

9:15 a.m.

Chairman, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Richard Saunders

I'll just answer quickly, and my colleagues may want to add to my comments.

In terms of success having its price, employment levels in the communities are way higher than they are for most first nations communities across Canada--way higher. Problems do persist, and there is room for improvement, no question about that.

In terms of people with expertise returning to their communities after getting training and education and so on outside the community, it's at a much higher level than it is for other communities.

In terms of entrepreneurial developments and the number of corporations and businesses operating in the communities, again there is still room for improvement but it's far better than most other communities. Everybody knows about Air Quebec, the airline; everybody knows about the trucking company. There are many businesses. And I say “many”--not compared to Toronto or somewhere, but many in comparison to other first nations communities around the country.

I think the resources that are available to the Cree, and the leadership they've had, have made the key difference in that.

Another area would be the use of the Cree language. I've been associated throughout my life with many communities around the country, and I don't know of any that have the high level of the use of the language throughout their community. The fact that we tabled this report in Cree and Naskapi, and are required to by law, is significant in that respect.

I said I'd be quick.

To be frank, we asked this committee some time ago to hear the Naskapi directly because of their concerns about the development of the Nunavik regional government. They came here and expressed their concerns. There have been some discussions between them and the Nunavik authorities. As far as I know, those have moved along to some extent. They're not resolved, by any means; however, with all due respect, the Naskapi have not pushed us to address the issue again. So we respect that, and I wouldn't want to speculate much more on that.

Philip or Robert, any comments?

9:15 a.m.

Commissioner, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Philip Awashish

I will just comment on the social issues.

Before the James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement of 1975, the Cree had a population of about 6,000. In 2010 we had a population of about 18,000. So within that time period--1975 to 2010--the population has about tripled in size.

Back in 1975 the Cree communities were isolated. There was no access to these communities except by float planes. Istchee was one of the only communities that had some kind of access by road. It was a gravel road. Housing was very inadequate in all the Cree communities back then, but since the James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement came into force with all the benefits of the agreement, and along with development of natural resources in the territory of the Cree--the hydroelectric development, mining development, forestry development--the territory has opened up. There are now roads everywhere throughout the Cree territory, access roads to all the Cree communities, and airstrips throughout the communities. So the north, at least the Cree part of the north, has opened up. It's accessible.

With accessibility of course the Cree have paid a social price, along with the impacts of resource development. Now we have social problems in the communities. As far as I know from the Cree Health Board, the Cree have a high rate of diabetes as well.

While housing has improved since 1975, the present allocation and construction of houses do not meet the demand of the rising population. There are still houses that are crowded, there are still houses that need to be renovated as well, and there is certainly a need for more new housing for the Cree community.

These are some of the comments I wanted to make.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

We're just about out of time here.

Mr. Kanatewat, do you have a very brief comment to offer--maybe 20 seconds or so?

9:20 a.m.

Commissioner, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Robert Kanatewat

My two colleagues have covered what the gentleman over there had asked. Because of the influx of youth returning to their communities--a lot more than in other communities--part of the big problem is crowding in houses. As my colleague described, we've almost doubled our population in 35 years or so. We have social problems in every community, and the suicide rate is getting higher and higher. Because of those things we have to adjust our way of life, which we never had to do before.

In the old days we lived a quiet life. We were nomadic people who roamed the territory as we pleased, and so on. Nobody seems to be able to hide any more. You know where they are. In the old days you didn't know where people were. You didn't hear from them for ten months. But now you can almost hear them every day out in the bush with their high-frequency radios, and what not.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

I'm sorry, we have to move on.

9:20 a.m.

Commissioner, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Robert Kanatewat

We watch TV no matter where we are nowadays. Those are the things that have improved, but problems come with them.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Thank you very much.

I do apologize and I appreciate your understanding on the time. In order for us to get at least one question from each of our members, I have to observe our timelines.

Mr. Lévesque, for seven minutes.

9:20 a.m.

Bloc

Yvon Lévesque Bloc Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik—Eeyou, QC

You are full-fledged members of my community and I am very proud of that fact. When I have something to negotiate, I will rely on you since you have strong negotiating skills. You have always managed to put the pieces of the puzzle together, one by one. Many first nations in Canada would be happy to be where you are today. However, I can attest to the fact that there are certainly many problems that still need to be addressed.

Earlier, you talked about community governance, about having the authority eventually to establish rules between school boards, communities and band councils. I think you have the ability to see to it that such authority is granted to you.

You are very skilled negotiators. However, your closest representatives generally are unaware of where you stand or of the exact nature of your demands. We usually find out what these are when you table your report to the committee. That is what I deplore the most. Regarding the vision that you have just shared with us, you could let us know when and where you want this vision to come to fruition and with whom you have shared it. We could then accompany you in this endeavour.

For example, the Chisasibi Cree Nation has had recurring problems with turtle grass flats. This matter has been brought to the committee's attention. I'm not sure where things stand but this issue, which affects geese, is important to the Cree Nation. It's part of its culture.

The residents of Whapmagoostui need a bridge for community expansion.

You spoke of another problem that concerns me as well as my colleague. Some of his constituents are planning to move to our community if the problem is not resolved. As you know, we favour nation to nation negotiation. Negotiations are set to take place between the Cree and Algonquian first nations. I will let my colleague Marc talk more about this later.

I would first like to know your opinion of the bill calling for first nation transparency. We hear a lot about new housing, but in several coastal villages, existing housing was built on soil that while not unstable per se, is currently reacting to the thaw. Houses are greatly affected by mould. Has this problem been resolved? Lastly, can you tell me how many reports you are required to present at this time? Do you not think that you could present all of your demands in a single annual report?

Please respond quickly, so as to give my colleague time to put his question. He is also very much interested in this issue.

9:25 a.m.

Chairman, Cree-Naskapi Commission

Richard Saunders

Thank you, Monsieur Lévesque.

On the first comment, certainly every member of Parliament, I think, is entitled to know what's going on in our processes and everybody's processes that involve people who work for the public and who are paid for by the public. For members who like to be more involved or briefed more frequently or attend processes or be given notice that we're having hearings—things of that sort—we can do that, and we'd be happy to. That's the first thing.

Particularly with regard to transparency vis-à-vis members of Parliament and other interested members of the public, we can certainly inform you when we're having our special implementation hearings. You'd be very welcome to attend, and we will do that.

With regard to the number of reports, I think the Auditor General has talked about the number of reports that first nations are required to submit to government agencies of various sorts. She's also talked at length about what happens to those reports, which is basically nothing. She's made some recommendations, and we agree with her recommendations.

On mould in the houses, I must confess I'm not in a position to give you a straight answer on that. I have some anecdotal things, but I don't have facts. Maybe that's something we should have a look at.

On transparency, I say the more the better. We'd welcome any suggestions that members have on how we might be more transparent.

Thank you.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Thank you.

Vous disposez d'une minute et demie.

9:25 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

I'll try to be quick.

Regarding your third recommendation about the application of the Corbiere decision, I believe it applies to the Cree. I want to give you a heads up at this time. I suggest you start talking to the federal government, because as a lawyer, I can tell you that this decision should apply to the Cree. You have some work to do in this area.

I'm interested in what is happening with the Washaw Sibi nation, the 10th Cree community. Members of this community live on Algonquian land near the town of Amos.

Have any negotiations taken place? Can you update us on the situation? Is everything going well? We must not upset one community just to please another. Many Algonquians are of Cree descent. It's entirely normal to see some blending of these nations. Was this one of the concerns you raised during negotiations over the establishment of the Washaw Sibi nation?