Evidence of meeting #112 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was facilities.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Tammy Cumming  UW-Schlegel Research Institute for Aging
Bonita Beatty  Professor, University of Saskatchewan, As an Individual
Jeff Anderson  Chairman, Fort Vermilion and Area Seniors' and Elders' Lodge Board 1788
Rupert Meneen  Tallcree First Nation
Natalie Gibson  Research and Advisor to the Board, Fort Vermilion and Area Seniors' and Elders' Lodge Board 1788
Bill Boese  Treasurer, Fort Vermilion and Area Seniors' and Elders' Lodge Board 1788

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal MaryAnn Mihychuk

Welcome, everybody. We're here at the Standing Committee on Indigenous and Northern Affairs. We're talking about long-term care.

Welcome to our guests on the the video conference. Be sure when we get to questions that we're aware of whether we're addressing our guests here in Ottawa or on the video conference.

Before we get started, Canada is on a journey of reconciliation and the first part of it is truth. We always recognize the fact that we're on the unceded territory of the Algonquin people here in Ottawa. As a settler from the Prairies, I feel it's important for us to always recognize our history.

Going from there, I would try to read this but it would be a horrible insult. I understand it's the Mohawk word for “our home”, which is very nice, and it's a long-term care facility. Then we have the UW-Schlegel Research Institute for Aging; and Bonita Beatty, a professor from U of S in Saskatchewan.

We're going to start with Tammy. All right. You have up to 10 minutes, and I'll try to give you a signal when we're getting close to the time, if you need it. We'll hear from all the presenters and then we'll go to rounds of questions.

Welcome to our committee.

Tammy, you can start off.

3:35 p.m.

Tammy Cumming UW-Schlegel Research Institute for Aging

Thank you.

I'm Tammy Cumming from the UW-Schlegel Research Institute for Aging in Waterloo, Ontario. I'm here to talk a little bit about a program that I'm responsible for there. It's a Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care-funded program called the Ontario Centres for Learning, Research, and Innovation in Long-term Care. This program is co-run by three organizations: the UW-Schlegel Research Institute for Aging in Waterloo, Baycrest Health Sciences in Toronto, and the Bruyère Research Institute in Ottawa.

We've been leading this program for a number of years and we just received renewed funding in the summer of 2017. The program's goal is essentially to support long-term care homes in building capacity by identifying and developing various resources to improve the quality of care and the quality of living for residents in long-term care.

The scope can be pretty broad. Today, I'm just going to talk a little about some of the work we are starting to kick off around supporting indigenous residents in long-term care.

In 2016, there were some identified gaps in some of the work we were doing in terms of addressing indigenous people's needs in long-term care. Stakeholder feedback in long-term care was giving us this information, and then the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care was also identifying a need for us to address it. Therefore, we conducted a needs assessment, and we finished it in 2017. The needs assessment was basically trying to identify some gaps, and if there was anything that the program could do within its mandate to address those gaps.

The needs assessment involved interviews and meetings with some stakeholders in long-term care, and we had an advisory committee of people who were familiar with indigenous culture and long-term care supporting it as well.

There were a number of key findings and there's a full report about it. Some of the key findings I wanted to bring up today were that indigenous people have unique cultural needs that we need to be addressing and valuing when we're caring for them in long-term care. There's a growing body of evidence that suggests that when we're restoring culture and we're embracing culture, it can contribute to healing, and it may even have a protective factor for worsening health when in long-term care.

The other finding was that there's a lot of history in this country's legacy of colonization, historical trauma, racism, distrust in western medicine, and those are very unique considerations that we need to take into account when we're trying to address indigenous residents in long-term care, as well.

There's a real need to develop and identify resources that are already out there, and spread them across all long-term care homes, not just the long-term care homes that have the bulk of the indigenous residents but all the long-term care homes. This was one thing we heard from some of the stakeholders, the long-term care homes, that they have an indigenous resident moving into their home and they don't know how to ensure that they're supported culturally.

Of course, as always, it's really important for us to be partnering with indigenous people and organizations when we're doing any work.

Following the needs assessment, it was very evident that there was a role for the program in addressing and doing some of this work, but we weren't experts in indigenous culture, so, of course, we needed to identify partners and decided we wanted to form an advisory circle. That's primarily what I am going to talk about for the last few minutes here.

We spent some time thinking about the advisory circle, and we wanted members on the advisory circle to be experienced in long-term care and indigenous culture, but also to be representative of the northern and southern regions of Ontario as well. We began a bunch of phone calls and interviews to identify members for this circle. Without having an advisory circle to guide our work, we decided we'd better have some indigenous people on our team to help us with this recruitment work, so we hired an indigenous project assistant, and we had an indigenous facilitator guiding the process of recruitment. That was really important.

Once we finally identified the 11 members, we formally sent them a letter of invitation and included tobacco ties as a gift to show that we were wanting to incorporate their culture into the work we're doing.

We are happy to say six weeks ago to the day today we had our inaugural meeting. It was really very important for us to have an in-person meeting with the committee members. Nine of the 11 members were able to show up in person. We spent the entire meeting focused on building relationships and defining the way we were going to be working, so essentially an entire meeting about building the terms of reference for that advisory circle.

The meeting was like no other I've attended. I've not sat in on too many conversations about building terms of reference but it was grounded in partnerships and collaborations. Together the advisory circle officially named itself the Ontario Caring Advisory Circle, OCAC is the acronym, and they defined their mandate, which I want to read to you. It is, “The Ontario Caring Advisory Circle demonstrates leadership by guiding the identification and development of culturally appropriate resources to support indigenous residents in long-term care.”

The other important piece of that inaugural meeting was that we defined a consensus decision-making model, giving all members an opportunity to speak at all times and contribute to decisions. Given that most of our meetings will be via teleconference, we felt it was really important that we adopted a model where there was an opportunity for everyone to speak at all times and not the type of meetings where two or three people speak and the others are simply nodding in the background. We defined that very clearly. That was very effective in bonding us and feeling coordinated in the work moving forward.

We are six weeks from that inaugural meeting. We've had one teleconference, an invitation to speak in the House of Commons, and we've also been asked to consult in some research projects for another organization. We feel the need is there and that the resource of the circle itself may be the most valuable resource in the spectrum.

At this time, I'd like to pass to Teresa and Vincent, both members of the Ontario Caring Advisory Circle. Teresa is going to speak from her perspective of this experience, and Vincent is here to support her.

3:40 p.m.

Teresa Doxtdator David

Greetings to the chair and members of the Standing Committee on Indigenous and Northern Affairs. Thank you for the invitation to speak with you today.

I have been asked to share some experience of working in long-term care in a facility that is one of very few situated in an indigenous community. As a supervisor in a 50-bed long-term care facility, my role over the past 17 years has varied from that of ward clerk-receptionist to admin assistant to activity aide, to my role now as rec and leisure supervisor.

If you asked for the one decisive factor that I have learned from my experience, it would be this. Time is the one feature that residents in long-term care have an overabundance of during their stay, whereas in contrast, staff members do not have enough time to provide the quality care that residents deserve.

Time as a concept is organic to indigenous peoples around the world. They survived in a natural environment now commonly known as Mother Earth. As well, there are plenty of published anthropological papers and textbooks that indicate how the original peoples survived and appreciated the land they lived on.

Consider in contrast your own concept of time. Do you put a value to it, do you use it wisely, or is it something to be conquered, with a winner and a loser in the end?

While I cannot speak for other indigenous peoples and communities, my insight is gleaned from a retired RPN, whose career started in southern Ontario, then moved to Sioux Lookout, and ended up in British Columbia where she retired on Vancouver Island, who happens to be my mother.

The Thanksgiving address, or the Ohen:ton Karihwatehkwen, is the central prayer and invocation for the Haudenosaunee, also known as the Iroquois Confederacy or Six Nations—Mohawk, Oneida, Cayuga, Onondaga, Seneca, and Tuscarora. It reflects the relationship of giving thanks for life and the world around them. The Haudenosaunee start and close every social and spiritual meeting with this address, sending greetings to the natural world and asking for everyone to use a good mind while business is conducted. In one Mohawk community, an individual was known and recognized to recite this Thanksgiving address every sunrise, to ensure that everyone would see another day.

Indigenous peoples are credited with being the first scientists: geneticists creating hearty seed, my ancestors; physicists, quantum theories abound everywhere now; and mathematicians. The activities of the family evolved around the changing seasons. Faith keepers and knowledge keepers continue to educate and encourage their people today.

Included in the teachings are the rituals or community practices that occur at various times of the year. It is the time of expressing thanks to the natural world, the spirit world, and the Creator, with an appeal to maintain the health and prosperity of the nations. Depending on how the indigenous culture lived on the land—as hunter-gatherers, fishermen, agriculturalists—their calendar of activities was centred in the natural world in order to survive.

I was a participant in a fish study project years ago. Our funding came from Quebec. We were interrupted because, when the geese arrived, our researchers and our goal in the project—everything—stopped. The village said, “You know, nothing is going to happen for the next two weeks, because everyone has gone hunting.”

Community and family was everything to indigenous peoples. Unfortunately, this very important cycle of tradition and teachings has been broken by residential schools, beginning in the early 20th century, and by the sixties scoop, during which children were taken from their families and placed with non-native foster families, to various degrees of failure.

Historically, when nursing homes were first established in western culture the residents played an active part in the operation of the home by working at various jobs in order to pay their way. The residents did chores common to every household, which required everyone to pitch in and share the workload to ensure survival, to have a sense of self-worth, and to contribute to their community. Later, these facilities became dreary places, identified as places where you go to die, until the restorative care incentive was introduced in 2010.

Recently, residents were interviewed and participated in a food service satisfaction survey in the home where I work. A lifelong farmer asked, “What happens to the food I don't eat? Where does it go?” When he learned that the food was thrown away, he remarked, “We should have pigs. Feed them the leftovers and then slaughter them in the fall.” Does this sound like a person just waiting to die?

Anyone over 18 years of age can be admitted into a long-term care facility. Taking care of indigenous residents is not limited to the frail elders. With the breakdown of the family unit, poor lifestyle choices are made by individuals who would benefit from a holistic treatment. Most traditional medicine ceremonies and teachings consider the whole person when trying to help. This includes the social, physical, emotional, spiritual, and intellectual parts of the person. When their minds and bodies have not had the opportunity to deal with the trauma inflicted by generations of abuse, they may be diagnosed with diseases that are directly related. Unfortunately, some health services are geared to preventive measures for community members, and requests for residents living in long-term care can be ignored.

Growing up and being told “what happens in this house stays in this house and no one else needs to know” leaves caregivers and family members struggling to keep their loved ones at home. It is a shame to ask for help. It is admitting defeat.

The health care team in long-term care homes involves the health professionals and the family members working together to educate and provide the resident with the care and treatment he or she desires. For example, in my experience, an elder female resident was not feeling well and asked for a cup of hot water. In reality, she wanted to make a cup of cedar tea, but did not have the resources, ability, or autonomy to ask for what she wanted. Her mother was a well-known, respected herbalist and healer. This was a lost opportunity to learn about herbal medicines.

Fifty years ago, as part of a church youth group, I took part in a Christmas visit to a nursing home in an indigenous community. My mother had learned that a childhood friend and neighbour was now living there, and she tasked me with finding him and reading a letter to him. Because I was 11 years old, this was not something that I wanted to do. I remember being taken to a dimly lit ward with two rows of metal frame beds lined against both walls. As I approached the sleeping individual lying in bed, the staff member called out, “Percy John, you have a visitor”, and promptly left. Not knowing if he was asleep or not, I read the letter out loud, never taking my eyes off the pages. In the letter, my mother reminded Percy who she was, indicated who I was, shared some childhood reminiscences, and ended with wishing him a merry Christmas. Relieved to have accomplished this task, I looked up finally to see great tears rolling down wrinkled, withered cheeks. Not knowing what to say, I left the letter on his bed and left.

That same experience could have happened last week, as the residents I now care for exhibit the same signs of loneliness: sitting near the front doors, waiting for someone to come to talk to them.

The newly formed Ontario Caring Advisory Circle on indigenous long-term care was created in April this year at the birthing centre in Toronto, Ontario. The individuals who came together for this session have made their own two- or three-year commitment to the group. Nine individuals started a journey at the beginning of that day. By the end of the day, a team—including the two absent members being “voluntold”—agreed to work together and made a schedule to meet in the coming months.

Indigenous culture celebrates a new life with family and friends. An individual who chooses to die in his own bed is surrounded by family, and they are supported spiritually by community. When a cycle of life reaches its end, this time is also marked with what society is now calling a celebration of life, where family and friends come together one more time to honour the deceased.

For the nursing professionals, who are basically scientists, death is considered a failure. The gap between the generations in indigenous families now has an opportunity to close with information and guidance. Instead of young people being afraid of the frail elders, especially when the elder no longer lives in his or her own home, generations are encouraged to share stories and eat a meal together, a universal expression of love. The communal celebrations could be hosted by the indigenous residents in the long-term care residence to accommodate those family members and community.

The backgrounds of the OCAC members are varied by their geography, nationhood, and experiences. However, their goal is the same: to demonstrate leadership by guiding the identification and development of culturally appropriate resources, to ensure that indigenous culture is recognized as a valuable aspect of health care in long-term care, and that the tools and resources are identified to the health care provider.

Is it okay to end with a Bible quote?

I would like you to consider this, and don't forget I'm from the seventies:

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

A time to be born, and a time to die;

3:50 p.m.

Vincent Lazore

I'll finish:

...a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

A time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.

We'd like to thank you for your attention today.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal MaryAnn Mihychuk

That was a very powerful statement. Thank you for that.

Now we're going on video conference. You have up to 10 minutes for your presentation.

3:50 p.m.

Dr. Bonita Beatty Professor, University of Saskatchewan, As an Individual

The key issue here is addressing long-term care on reserve. I come to this presentation through both research and experience.

I grew up on a northern reserve. I still have a home on the northern reserve and I do a long commute to where I work.

I've done my Ph.D. on health care services and looking at first nations' health care services and its development. When we took over health transfer, back in the early nineties, we saw there were a lot of elderly people. When I speak of the term elderly, we know that the pension age of 65-plus is considered senior and people normally look at it as 65. Some now, due to the generally poor health status on the reserves, use 55 years or some even younger.

What we were finding was that there were a lot of elderly people. I like to use the term elderly or elder. They are mostly in their seventies, but particularly in their eighties is when they become the most frail.

At that time, we were on the development edge of developing home and continuing care services and what that would entail. My experience was that, in developing that, I never dreamed that I would one day come to use those very same services for my own parents. You just never think of those things, but I did. Over the past 10 years, both parents have gone and passed away in their eighties, along with my aunts and my uncles. What I have found, with my own community and having worked with the provincial first nations health organization as well, is that a lot of the same issues that my parents faced and I faced in our care of them were the same experiences that first nations families all over had. Also, there were other non-indigenous families as well, who experienced similar types of challenges, particularly when their loved one ended up with dementia and things like that. This is a common thing for all of us in Canada.

I am speaking to you from the Treaty No. 6 territory, which is in Saskatoon. My own band, the Peter Ballantyne Cree Nation, also come from a Treaty No. 6 territory. It's the treaty with the medicine chest clause that we have interpreted as the holistic comprehensive health care. We are looking at the care of the person—before they're even born, to the time they pass on. We talk about the seasons of life and those are the necessary seasons that we all have to go through. However, as citizens of this country, we should all expect to be cared for, to go in dignity, and to be treated with respect.

Those are the end goals that I'm looking at. I'm just going to go through this presentation, particularly to promote the need to build long-term care homes on reserves that are properly subsidized, that can be maintained and sustained, and to ensure that the elders we have can access sustainable long-term care facilities in, or at least near, their homes and families.

We just have to look at the media to look at the stories with elders who have been placed in Ottawa from Nunavut, for example. People are placed from my own isolated northern communities into the urban centres and whether it's people who don't understand their culture.... Even with well-meaning health professionals, they just don't understand and can't relate and communicate and work with families in a way that is respectful and is also most effective in terms of care.

In placing our first nations elderly, one of the things we have to consider is that the demographics are growing. The indigenous population is growing overall. Certainly what we've found now as well is that the seniors population is growing. In 2011, the estimates through Statistics Canada suggested that there is about 6% of seniors in the 1.4 million aboriginal population. By 2016, that had grown to 7.3% of the total 1.7 million. It's continuing to grow. Some projections estimate that, by 2036, the seniors population is going to double or more than double.

Obviously, the situation is not going to improve unless there are some dedicated resource investments and dedicated strategies to address that continuum of care on and off reserve, because basically you're trying to address that person, that individual, and that individual is not ever alone. They come in a package, a family package, and they also come in a first nations community package. With that, there are a lot of traditional values that are unique and distinctive. There are regions across Canada; we're not all the same. That's one of the things when you're dealing with culturally appropriate programs and services and their development.

Sometimes people assume that everybody is the same, but they have different backgrounds. They have different languages and they come from different areas. Their experiences as children are also the same, although they might have had experiences with.... This is, I guess, the tragedy of it. A lot of these elders that even go into dementia may have gone through the residential schools system or they might have gone through the TB sanatorium system that we're finding out about now. They also might have gone through some of these Indian hospitals that they recall. There are a lot of areas where, as children or adults, they might have experienced trauma that comes back along with other things through the years of life.

These are the things that we have to consider even as families looking after our loved ones. I know that the one question that was asked.... I have done a lot of studies in long-term care research and program development research as well as caregiving research. I go to these research things not because I'm asking a question, as most researchers would do, but because it's been placed before me by the communities and people whom I work with and it's become a need that needs to be addressed. We're just trying to find out as much information as possible about it, which is what research is, being informed to be able to make the most balanced and cost-effective and quality type of decisions.

Some of the common themes I looked at, one of the questions that came out, especially with the seniors, concerned the frail elderly when they're feeling vulnerable. I talk to the most vulnerable population, not just the elderly who go into long-term care facilities but also disabled youth sometimes. Nonetheless, they're vulnerable populations and they have things, as somebody mentioned—loneliness, isolation, abandonment. One of the questions that comes out over and over again, and I've heard in visiting elderly and my loved ones as well, was “Who will take care of us when we get old, when we're no longer able to help ourselves?”.

It's a question all of us ask, I suppose, but when you're at a vulnerable season, that becomes a time then to gather the resources and bolster the foundation that will help provide for them, so that they're well cared for until they go on.

This is one of the reasons I wanted to come here, the current status of continuing care services. Typically in Canada we refer to them as a basket of services. We know them to include home care, long-term care, respite, palliative, but for reserves, that basket is particularly small. The current stats show long-term care on reserves is fragmented. Some first nations are very fortunate to have long-term care facilities. It's not a common thing. I know in Saskatchewan we have maybe three for a population of over 90,000 indigenous people. You have to look at that.

The current status of long-term care in the western provinces is much the same. There's no dedicated funding for the development of these facilities on reserve. There are no subsidy programs, like the provincial and the territorial programs might have, that ensure sustainability and maintenance of these facilities. That all has to do with jurisdiction and the policy directions that government has taken.

One of the other things is the whole affordability issue, with provincial facilities based on various income-testing formulas. Pensions are the most common form of income for first nations. For example, in our case, Standing Buffalo First Nation in southern Saskatchewan is really struggling at the moment. It houses a 22-bed facility, and it also deals with disabled youth in that same facility, so there are a lot of issues there. We've been working to try to address that.

The long and short of it is that with the rising issues involving first nations seniors care, a national strategic plan is definitely needed, one that envisions long-term care on reserve as part of a compassionate and seamless health care continuum of services that places the seniors and their needs first.

That is it.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal MaryAnn Mihychuk

We're going to go into rounds of questioning. I remind members to be sure to indicate to whom you want to ask the question.

We'll begin the round with MP Dan Vandal.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I want to begin by thanking all of you for your presentations.

We only have seven minutes, so I'm going to go quickly. First, I'll go to Teresa Doxtdator and Vincent, whoever wants to answer the question.

I want to ask about your interactions with the federal government. I know that we have a first nations and Inuit home and community care program. First, do you interact with that in terms of...?

4:05 p.m.

Vincent Lazore

In a roundabout way, we do through our director and council.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

Can you tell me about that? Can you tell me what those experiences have been like?

Yes, start with that.

4:05 p.m.

Vincent Lazore

I'm relatively new to the administrator position, so I really haven't had much experience in that as of yet.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

Teresa, can you...?

4:05 p.m.

Teresa Doxtdator David

I come from Akwesasne. That should say it all. MCA is federally funded, so our elected council is constantly—I don't know the correct word—finding funding. Mike Mitchell is the greatest advocate for the community. He's one of the more vocal spokespersons for our community. We actually met with him to learn about the beginnings of our home, Tsiionkwanonhso:te.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

Excuse me. Mike Mitchell is the...?

4:05 p.m.

Teresa Doxtdator David

He's a very respected, well-known politician from Akwesasne. He is retired, but he now works in Ottawa for the assembly of chiefs.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

Okay.

4:05 p.m.

Teresa Doxtdator David

We definitely have our finger in the pie. I don't think the relationship has ever been adversarial.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

Okay, I'll come back to that.

Tammy, the RIA published a study entitled “Using the Labyrinth for Spiritual Practice” in 2011. I'm not sure if you were there then.

4:05 p.m.

UW-Schlegel Research Institute for Aging

Tammy Cumming

I was not, no.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

Are you familiar with this report?

4:05 p.m.

UW-Schlegel Research Institute for Aging

Tammy Cumming

I know of it, yes. I'm not familiar with that particular body of work. We have, I think, 11 research chairs now with the organization, so there are a lot of bodies of work. Sometimes we identify those resources to spread within long-term care if they're specific to long-term care, and sometimes they're not relevant. My responsibility is particularly this program that the government has funded.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

This program being...?

4:05 p.m.

UW-Schlegel Research Institute for Aging

Tammy Cumming

The Ontario Centres for Learning, Research and Innovation in Long-Term Care. It's a Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care-funded program that's been funded for the last six years. We just got renewed funding last year. It's base funding from the Ontario government, and this work falls within that.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

Okay. I know you've probably already spoken about that a little in your presentation, but can you give us the highlights again?

4:05 p.m.

UW-Schlegel Research Institute for Aging

Tammy Cumming

Of the program...?