Evidence of meeting #23 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was inuit.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

George Hickes  Minister of Health, Minister responsible for Suicide Prevention, Government of Nunavut
Karen Kabloona  Associate Deputy Minister, Quality of Life, Department of Health, Government of Nunavut
James Arreak  Chief Executive Officer, Executive Services, Nunavut Tunngavik Inc.
Johannes Lampe  President, Nunatsiavut Government
Shuvinai Mike  Director of Inuit Qaujimajatuqangit, Department of Culture and Heritage, Government of Nunavut
Jeannie Arreak-Kullualik  Director, Department of Social and Cultural Development, Nunavut Tunngavik Inc.
Maatalii Okalik  President, National Inuit Youth Council
Alicia Aragutak  President, Qarjuit Youth Council
Louisa Yeates  Vice President, Qarjuit Youth Council
Nina Ford  Youth Representative, Youth Division, Nunatsiavut Government
Kimberly Masson  Executive Director, Embrace Life Council
Sheila Levy  Executive Director, Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line
David Lawson  President, Embrace Life Council
Paul Okalik  As an Individual
Toby Otak  As an Individual
Peter Williamson  As an Individual
Caroline Anawak  As an Individual
Adam Akpik  As an Individual
Jack I. Anawak  As an Individual
Louisa Willoughby  As an Individual
David Joanasie  As an Individual
Brian Tagalik  As an Individual
Emiliano Qirngnuq  As an Individual

1:55 p.m.

President, National Inuit Youth Council

Maatalii Okalik

Qujannamiik, honourable member, for that question.

There is not one issue that could be tackled stand-alone. I have been saying over and over that social and economic inequities that Inuit face in Canada must be eliminated, based on statistics as well as other things I've indicated in my testimony.

However, one thing that I think would be extremely important for Inuit in Canada today is that if we know our history and who we were yesterday as Inuit we can move forward with strength into tomorrow. This is entrenched in removing those social inequities that have a day-to-day impact as well as ensuring that our language, culture, and identity are at the forefront. This is our responsibility, but we require assistance and positive investment from government in that regard.

As for a program that currently exists that is very effective, based on my messaging here, it doesn't exist at this time. I look at Truth and Reconciliation Commission call to action number 66, which calls on the federal government to have the space available to invest in community-led initiatives with respect to reconciliation—as we all know, reconciliation is very multi-faceted—as well as a national network that would provide for the space to discuss best practices.

That doesn't come out of left field. I recognize the very positive impacts that the Aboriginal Healing Foundation had with its community-led fund around addressing the assimilation policies of the past. I see Truth and Reconciliation Commission call to action number 66 as a replication of that, but more specific to youth. I also see it as having real, positive, resounding impacts into tomorrow.

Qujannamiik.

The Chair Liberal Andy Fillmore

We could consume the rest of your time on the first part of your question. You have to phase the response, obviously.

2 p.m.

President, Qarjuit Youth Council

Alicia Aragutak

Okay.

Just to very briefly touch on the two questions, I agree with Maatalii's point. If I could silo one point—I'm not aiming at any organization—I would say education, formally and informally, and that would be in all aspects of basic community mobilization, basic community operations, basic parenting, and how these organizations run as well. It's hands-down education. We understand that, and we have a strong understanding of you as the standing committee for this as well.

But it's in all aspects. We can't just target the education system, because it's both ways. Having some community-level projects works in our region. I must say on my own behalf, of projects that are working I think of Mary Joanne Kaukai's decolonization project.

She is in high demand, but she has another job too, so she does it rather on the side, and there's nothing stable about it. It's really hands-on, and she has all of her equipment. It's where youth actually touch all of the equipment and raw material of who we are as Inuit, and it's a very youth-oriented approach. She makes it fun. We're not trying to create racism or anything; we're just trying to be educated as to why we are the way we are today. I would really invest in those kinds of programs within our community.

Thank you.

2 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Andy Fillmore

We're out of time now.

I want to thank each of you for the testimony, for how thoughtful it was, and for how well it was presented. If you'll allow me a comment, there seems to be in you and in the youth we met last night such a bright spark, and yet a wisdom that is usually reserved for people who are older, which seems to have been visited upon you by these hardships.

I want you to keep on doing the beautiful work that you're doing; it's wonderful to see. I want to think that now we're all going to be a part of that work as well, so thank you very much.

[Applause]

If you're willing, maybe you would stay just for a moment for a photograph with the committee members. We would appreciate it.

Thank you.

We're suspended.

The Chair Liberal Andy Fillmore

Welcome back, everybody. Thank you for being here.

We'll go right into the panel.

I'd like to welcome and introduce our guests before we start.

Representing the Embrace Life Council is Kimberly Masson, the executive director, and David Lawson, the president. Representing the Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line is Sheila Levy, the executive director.

Sheila, in your case I think you're speaking for two people. You've asked for leave to maybe go a little longer, and I'm sure that would be fine with the committee.

Why don't we get going? I'll lay out the rules.

Each organization has 10 minutes. David and Kimberly, you can divide that time between you. I understand that Kimberly will present.

Likewise for you, Sheila. You'll have some flexibility because of your longer piece.

With that, Kimberly, you have the floor for 10 minutes. Thank you.

Kimberly Masson Executive Director, Embrace Life Council

Thank you.

Thank you very much for the invitation to appear as a witness here.

I would like to begin by contextualizing the Embrace Life Council. ELC is a non-governmental organization that was created in 2004 to combat the high suicide rates in Nunavut communities and to encourage Nunavummiut to embrace life.

Council members include representatives from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Nunavut Tunngavik Inc., the regional Inuit associations, the Government of Nunavut, Kamatsiaqtut Help Line, the Nunavut Association of Municipalities, the Nunavut Teachers' Association, the faith community, and an advisory group based upon traditional Inuit values, so we have an elder sitting on our council. Incidentally, Natan Obed, whose testimony you have already heard, is a former president on our board of directors.

The Embrace Life Council is based on the belief that suicide prevention must concentrate holistically on enhancing life, rather than on the narrower focus of preventing death. The council does not provide services directly. Rather, we provide training, ideas, resources, support, advocacy, and information to communities and groups. Communities then provide services and programs that are appropriate to their specific needs.

We work with the front line every day. We witness our community members struggle against the factors contributing to the elevated levels of suicide in Nunavut: social inequity, including food insecurity, shortage of adequate housing, poverty, and low educational attainment; historical and intergenerational trauma; a lack of access to culturally and linguistically appropriate mental health services; and family trauma, including abuse and addictions, acute stress, and, for many, living in a prolonged state of grief. For more detail regarding these, please refer to ITK's recently released “National Inuit Suicide Prevention Strategy”, which details and documents much of this historical struggle.

ELC's work revolves around protective factors: creating and promoting resources grounded in Inuit language and culture; providing training in healthy relationships, youth leadership, community violence prevention, and coping skills; gatekeeper training, including ASIST and safeTALK; child sexual abuse prevention training; and healing and bereavement support.

We are also partners in the Nunavut suicide prevention strategy. In March, Embrace Life and the NSPS partners NTI, the RCMP, and the GN released “Resiliency Within”, a one-year action plan for suicide prevention in Nunavut, “It allows NSPS Partners to undertake important work to implement [the coroner's recommendations in the verdict], build on successes of the previous Action Plan and engage stakeholders for a longer-term plan to foster and support resiliency within Nunavummiut and our communities.”

In May 2016, we hosted the Nunavut suicide prevention summit, United for Life, in Iqaluit in order to engage community stakeholders in the development of a longer-term action plan. We are currently using the valuable information gleaned from this event to inform our next steps. A number of very important needs were expressed by the stakeholders at the summit. First and foremost, any action taken regarding suicide prevention, intervention and/or post-vention must be Inuit-specific and community-driven. Community members asked for healing—programs, services, and resources. They asked for infrastructure—community centres, addictions treatment facilities, and shelters—and for multi-year or core funding to support this infrastructure. They asked for financial and human resource support for cultural programs, be they land, sewing, or arts-based. They asked for crisis response teams.

Our stakeholders need culturally appropriate gatekeeper training like ASIST and safeTALK. They need Inuit-guided research on topics they identify as relevant, not those identified as relevant by external academics and institutions, and for the research conclusions to be shared with the community for the purpose of creating a healthier community. They need culturally specific early childhood and parenting programs.

Our delegates identified other community challenges with which they need help: low school attendance, desensitization and normalization of suicide, language loss, a lack of connection between elders and youth, and travel challenges largely driven by cost. Our delegates also identified incredible community strengths, and we see these daily in our work: strong, well-educated, and dedicated Inuit leaders and community champions; intergenerational resiliency; stable, healthy families and communities; the comforting hum of Inuit Qaujimajatuqangit that seamlessly permeates Nunavut.

This is an amazing territory full of amazing people.

Embrace Life Council is dedicated to celebrating and building upon these strengths. However, we face challenges of our own.

One example is geography, and thus physical access to communities. We have a staff of three people with limited funding. As I prepare this, I reflect upon our program coordinator, Cecile Guerin, who left to deliver six days of training combined in two communities, Resolute Bay and Grise Fiord. She left on Monday, September 5. She was scheduled to return on Friday, September 16. She arrived home yesterday, which would be the 22nd rather than the 16th, due to weather conditions. The current budget for her trip is somewhere in excess now of about $14,000. This doesn't factor in the human cost to her young family while she's delayed, or to other communities that were scheduled to receive her programming.

Unfortunately, access to the Internet is pretty limited in the Territories and we really struggle and must deliver programming in person. Investment in improved broadband in Nunavut would have a significant impact on our ability to build community capacity. This is but one challenge in a myriad of challenges, but we forge on because the work is so necessary.

To conclude, I respectfully refer the standing committee to article 7.1 of the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples which declares that “Indigenous Peoples have the rights to life, physical and mental integrity, liberty, and security of person”.

I look forward to the meaningful work we will all do together in order to fully realize these rights in Nunavut and then the rest of indigenous Canada.

[Witness speaks in Inuktitut]

The Chair Liberal Andy Fillmore

Thank you very much, Ms. Masson, for that.

We'll go right along to Sheila Levy for her presentation.

Sheila Levy Executive Director, Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line

Thank you for this invitation.

I've read testimony from various other witnesses who appeared before you during the summer. I will try not to parrot what has already been said. I will respond to the objectives of your study drawing from my own studies and experiences, many of which will be grassroots.

Quickly, I'll just outline who I am, which speaks to the objectives of this. I'm a retired person, but have lived in Nunavut for over 29 years, starting off in Pangnirtung, Gjoa Haven, Cambridge Bay, and now Iqaluit. I did do a year's study to finish my master's degree in psychology and counselling, but during my years in Nunavut, when I was working at a paid job, I worked in education and finished my years as a guidance counsellor at Inuksuk High School. I was also a trainer for school community counsellors. I also did much volunteer work and have been very involved in the area of suicide prevention within both Nunavut and nationally. I'm the past president of the Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention, a founder as well as the past president and now current vice-president of the Embrace Life Council, and a founder, trainer, and past president and current executive director of Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line. I have worked with many suicide research projects, publishing chapters in books and journals as well.

As we all know, suicide is multi-faceted, complex, and happens far too often among indigenous populations, especially here in Nunavut. It is, though, a public health issue that is highly preventable given the correct circumstances. As such, there is a need to focus in many areas: communities, families, and individuals. It is critical to recognize that, when a suicide happens, it affects so many people in the community and sometimes right across the Arctic. Everyone who lives in Nunavut for any length of time is potentially at risk. There is no one who has not been touched by suicide in some form. Many have had to deal with it on a continual basis in one way or another with themselves, a family member, a friend, a co-worker, or a community member. The list is endless.

Research tells us that exposure to suicide is a strong risk factor. There is no evidence that suicide actually runs in families, but there is evidence, certainly here in Nunavut, that it becomes a learned behaviour. When so many people around you die by suicide and/or make attempts at various times of their lives, others often emulate these actions.

There are some salient facts to consider. Again, northerners attempt and die by suicide at a far greater rate than southern Canadians. Added to that, and certainly connected, there is a far greater incidence of addiction, violence, and sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, which certainly the Embrace Life Council is trying to work with. There are few northern-based facilities or resources, though, to deal with these problems.

The past colonization, history, and legacy of the residential school system has affected all aspects of life, including parenting and coping skills. Recognizing personal and intergenerational trauma, social inequity, and the fact that many communities do not have appropriate access to mental health are important factors that really need addressing. The continuum of mental health care is also important. Isolated communities are the norm in Nunavut, not Iqaluit—we are not the norm—and people who do get mental health support in the south go back to their communities without the necessary supports in place in order to ensure that any changes can be made, supported, and continued.

Resiliency and healthy coping skills also need to be taught and supported. Everyone has ups and downs in life and stressful situations and times. Recognizing that and dealing with it are important factors that are not always practised in a healthy manner. It is important, though, to remember that in the past Inuit were resilient, and many are still today, but in the past they had to be in order to survive in a harsh environment. I've heard elders tell many stories of great endurance. Our youth today need to learn about these strengths, but be able to harness them to deal with the realities of their lives today.

The Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line is a community-driven service. During 1988-99, there were many suicides in the Baffin region of what was then the NWT, especially among young people. A conference was organized, with players from all the affected communities. The problems and possible solutions were explored. One idea that was put forward by a community member was the establishment of a first northern crisis line, or helpline, manned by trained volunteers. Because when I was much younger I worked at Ottawa's distress centre when doing my undergraduate studies at Carleton University, and because I was a participant at this conference, I was asked to help with this project.

In the spring of 1989, a group of CBC employees got together for a curlathon to raise funds for starting the helpline. This event provided the impetus for a group of like-minded citizens who got together at the same time to form the first working committee for the creation of the line. Over the summer, the trainers donated their time to develop a culturally relevant training program for the volunteers. With the generous assistance of many community organizations and a variety of individuals, the line started operation on January 15, 1990. During the first year of operation, the line received over 400 calls, and at that time we were only open to Iqaluit.

Having been in existence now for 27 years, and with a 1-800 number as well, the Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut helpline has continually operated 365 days a year as a volunteer organization. “Kamatsiaqtut” means “people who care”, and the name was chosen by one of our Inuk volunteers who has been with us the full 27 years. We utilize a large cadre of trained volunteers in Iqaluit who listen nightly, via both a local line and a 1-800 line to Nunavummiut accessing Kamatsiaqtut from all three Nunavut regions, as well as parts of Arctic Quebec and southern Canada. During these calls, people express their suicidal ideation, trauma, anger, grief, and pain resulting from unresolved issues and describe their isolation, fear, frustration, and lack of resources and information that serve as barriers to the successful resolution of their issues.

Kamatsiaqtut has recently put in place a 24-7 service, as recognized and desired by the Government of Nunavut. This additional service utilizes the assistance of Ottawa's distress centre, which answers calls when Kamatsiaqtut volunteers are not available.

As we recognize that Nunavut's suicide rate is higher than in any other Canadian jurisdiction, we are highly motivated as a volunteer organization composed of a wide variety of Inuit and non-Inuit Nunavummiut who demonstrate care and concern and translate it into concrete action.

There is a recognition that the helpline has saved lives and has made a significant and positive impact on many other lives. We have intervened many times, sometimes with sending out help and most other times with helping the caller come to the conclusion that they will stay alive for at least 24 hours, with the volunteer helping them plan out the next 24 hours with them and what they can do in case overpowering feelings take over again.

We have also heard from callers about the impact the service has had on their lives, and we've heard that perhaps they would not be here if the service did not exist. Our motto of “Helping Others Help Themselves” is relevant. Although volunteers are trained to deal with suicidal callers, we hope people call before they are in this state and get support for whatever their issues are.

The training is well received. Even the Nunavut Arctic College students, the third-year nursing students, are required to take it as part of their counselling course, and we offer it to them for free.

We do have many challenges, though. Our small amount of core funding is an issue. We are part of the Canadian Distress Line Network and are working on getting a Canada-wide 1-800 suicide line. We are the only organization that does not have a paid ED or any paid office staff.

Recognizing that there are many needs in Nunavut competing with us financially, we also need more core funding for many issues. One issue is to do a PR blitz. We don't have the funds to ensure the information about the line is known in all the communities and the number is on the tip of everyone's tongue. Posters and CDs with radio messages are all sent out, but we never know if they get distributed, or used, or put up around the community. The line also needs to be able to keep better statistics, as there is a constant expectation that we are a source for this type of information.

We would like to be able to purchase a program that is used all over the world in help lines, the iCarol program, but we again would need the money to do so and the funds to be able to receive training so we can train our volunteers on the system.

At this point, we cannot offer 24-7 service out of Nunavut—maybe in the future with enough resources. It is important, though, to keep the services office in Nunavut with Nunavummiut answering the calls for at least part of the 24-7 time.

For some callers, and for Nunavummiut in general, it is important that a 27-year service—started here because of community wishes and needs—be managed from Nunavut. We also need money to be able to continue to really work with the Ottawa distress centre in person so we can ensure that they become culturally aware and more competent in dealing with our callers.

Also, as with many help lines throughout the world now and certainly in Canada, the phone calls are not coming in as much, as many people use online chatting or texting. We would also like to be able to offer that in the near future, because I think this would appeal to a lot of youth more than the telephone, but again it would require resources and training to implement it in a safe and effective manner.

Again, another big challenge is having enough lnuktitut-speaking volunteers available. We have some, many of whom have been with us for years—some for our whole 27 years—but we certainly need more.

For best practices, possible solutions, and general recommendations, I'll talk here about some basic homegrown and grassroots ideas as well as some others.

If suicide prevention and intervention is seen only as a government and organization affair, I am concerned that communities and individuals will be more apt not to take responsibility or ownership themselves. They will say that the government or various organizations are responsible, not me, or not us.

I strongly believe every Nunavummiut can make a difference. They can make it their responsibility to learn the signs and symptoms. They can intervene successfully. They can support an individual at risk. They can arrange a circle of support, so they are not doing this on their own and the support is ongoing.

Therefore, the government does have a part to play, and it's an important part. It is the government's job to ensure that individuals, family members, and groups are given the necessary resources to start to feel comfortable with knowing the signs and symptoms and ways to intervene. In that way, government would be enabling effective community ownership of the issue. Communities also need to be consulted on what they want or need to help them impact the suicide rate in their community. This means community meetings for brainstorming, and realizing that each community is different, and their needs might be different. Also desired in the communities are parenting groups for training, support, and discussion, to learn suicide risks, symptoms, prevention ideas, and intervention techniques. Communities also need places for people to gather for informal counselling and support as well as culturally appropriate activities. Youth especially need positive space to gather and have fun as well as receiving support.

Changing the face of suicide in Inuit communities is possible, I believe. There are short-term solutions such as providing the necessary and appropriate mental health support, family support, and community support as needed. This is not as simple, though, as just sending in a cadre of workers to each community. It is important that the communities get the support they feel will make a difference with their citizens, while at the same time realizing that each person is unique, and understanding what they need to be healthy.

I had better hurry up. Is the time up?

The Chair Liberal Andy Fillmore

One more minute.

2:55 p.m.

Executive Director, Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line

Sheila Levy

Okay, I'm going to go very quickly, or just try to make sure I get everything.

Effective cross-cultural counselling education needs to be done with all counsellors who are not from Nunavut. Culturally sensitive and culturally based programs and services are essential if they are to make a difference. When we're blind to the potential effects of cultural differences we sometimes try to export theories and practices and training programs to cultures that are different from those in which the theories and techniques were developed. I'm not saying that we don't use materials or use non-Inuit counsellors. We just want to be sure that everyone has the ability to respond in a culturally relevant manner.

Research is really important. Evaluating programs and intervention techniques to ensure they're making a positive impact is important.

Support is a really big one. You can read all the rest of this from what I've given you. There is a need to offer support for survivors, both for those who have lost somebody, as well as those who attempted, but lived. There is also a need to provide support for those dealing with suicide on a regular basis—counsellors, community wellness workers, church support people, elders who intervene, and people who've taken such courses as ASIST and have used their skills to intervene. The helpline volunteers can debrief each other, but other counsellors throughout Nunavut need that same type of support.

We can teach people the prevention and intervention skills, but in order to avoid burnout we need to ensure that everyone gets the support they need and the debriefing they need.

The Chair Liberal Andy Fillmore

If you leave your notes, they can be read in their entirety into the record if perhaps you want to go to your conclusion.

2:55 p.m.

Executive Director, Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line

Sheila Levy

Yes, I will go to my conclusion, that's right.

In my conclusion I will just talk a little bit about something that I'm involved with right now. The Kamatsiaqtut is holding the 2016 Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention's national conference with groups like the Embrace Life Council, and the theme is hope, health, and healing. This is going to be open to people right across Canada. We even have some Maori people from New Zealand coming to present, so it's really going to be an amazing conference.

We have specific goals and objectives. Sessions were solicited and selected on the basis of hope, health, and healing.

We have Natan Obed, Maatalii Okalik, and Senator Murray Sinclair as keynote speakers for this conference.

I'm going to end this presentation by conveying that we all have a role to play in suicide reduction and life promotion. While successful actions and appropriate approaches will sometimes be attributed to their being necessary from an individual or group, no one individual group or organization can address suicide reduction in isolation. It is a collective effort.

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Andy Fillmore

Thank you very much, Sheila. Well done in the speed trials, there.

Romeo, if you want to leave your question as you're on your way out the door, we can put you at the top of the order. You won't be here to hear the answer but the analysts will.

Romeo Saganash NDP Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik—Eeyou, QC

First of all, thank you to all the presenters here. Most of you have confirmed a lot of what we've heard, at least for my part, over the last two days. I just took note of a lot of the things you've confirmed from the past testimony that we've heard.

There's something I would like to know, that was talked about in both Kuujjuaq and in the time we've been here. There seems to be a lot of need for different types of infrastructure in a lot of the communities. Some of these facilities do exist, but only in one place. For instance, there is a regional treatment centre in Kuujjuaq, although the needs do exist in the 13 other Inuit communities in Nunavik.

What other types of services or what other types of infrastructure would you see in these various communities? Some have talked about crisis centres, and some have talked about family centres to reunite and heal the families themselves at the core. Some have talked about youth centres throughout the communities, land-based treatment centres, and so on and so forth. What other types of important infrastructure does this effort require throughout the communities?

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Andy Fillmore

I think both Sheila and Kimberly would like to answer, but Sheila first and then Kimberly.

3 p.m.

Executive Director, Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line

Sheila Levy

I'll just say that certainly an addictions centre for Nunavummiut is really important. I know we can't have a centre in every community. Youth centres in all communities is critical. Having a centre where people can gather to get support and help and maybe have some fun as well is really important. These things can be put in every small community. I really believe that. It simply needs the support to have them built and to have people running them.

3 p.m.

Executive Director, Embrace Life Council

Kimberly Masson

Agreeing with Sheila, I would add cultural centres. I think at the summit we heard over and over language and culture, language and culture, and we know how very important it is. Sometimes when we label things under mental health or that this is a healing centre or wellness centre, we somehow attach stigma to that terminology, unfortunately. But I think a cultural centre is pretty de-stigmatizing and it would be a real dream to see a place where people could simply join together and enjoy the fruits of the land and participate in cultural activities, like sewing and preparing for a hunt.

Romeo Saganash NDP Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik—Eeyou, QC

Thank you for that. I'll be brief as I have to leave for a conference call.

One of the reasons why I insisted on the implementations issues to our presenters is that most of the leaders from the north are youth leaders, confirmed in the necessity of implementing agreements or treaties that we already have with most of the groups in the north, certainly in northern Quebec with the Inuit and the Cree. A lot of the infrastructure and services and programs that we talk about today are already promises or commitments or obligations under treaties and agreements. In that sense, I think there's no need to reinvent the wheel for many of these programs and services that were already promised. I think it's just a matter of good faith and goodwill to implement those promises and commitments that are already made.

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Andy Fillmore

Thank you, Romeo. I understand you have to go for a conference call. Thanks for that.

There are still two minutes on the question if anyone would like to add anything more, or we can move along to the other questions.

David.

3 p.m.

Conservative

David Yurdiga Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

I'll add a couple of things

I was in the west recently, as I said last week, and one of the communities didn't have one place for the kids to go, not one place. They didn't have a youth centre, not a cultural centre, not a wellness centre. They're in desperate need of help. They're asking and they're screaming for help. These are just basic places for kids to go, safe places. Unless they have a safe friend or family, there really isn't a place to go in some of these communities. This is needed very much.

The Chair Liberal Andy Fillmore

Thank you. We'll move along to the next question then, which is from Michael McLeod.

Michael McLeod Liberal Northwest Territories, NT

I'm interested that many presenters have raised the need for infrastructure, for programs, and for investment. I'm also curious about applying for existing programming. I'm from the Northwest Territories, so what's available there might be different than here. I see in the Northwest Territories a number of programs such as Aboriginal Head Start, which is popular, and every community wants it. It has programs geared toward FAE, and it has programs geared toward supporting toddlers, and toward mothers to teach them the basics of how to look after children. It's working quite well. It's geared toward people who are in a difficult situation, and who need that bit of extra help.

We also have friendship centres. Friendship centres do a lot of things. They run a variety of programs for sport, after school, drop-in, crisis intervention, and so many other things. They are struggling to get resources, too, but they have a broad mandate, and they don't fall under any political umbrella. They're independent, so they don't answer to any of the political community organizations.

Is any of that available? I know there is a friendship centre in Rankin Inlet, so I'm wondering, is it because there's not an ability to draw down the money?

Yesterday, we had some good presentations, including from David. We had some good discussions. One of the things that was identified was that even though there were new monies announced, and monies from the Nunavut government, the amount available for Nunavut is relatively small, and maybe even insignificant. Are you able to get some more money? Are you able to access any other programs that exist?

I say that because there is a study, or a review, of aboriginal strategy. I'm wondering if that reaches out to Nunavut, or is it only in the southern parts of Canada and the Northwest Territories?

3:05 p.m.

Executive Director, Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line

Sheila Levy

I'll answer a bit. I'm sure Kim and David have a number of other thoughts.

With any type of program like that in a small community, often it takes a dedicated individual or a dedicated group of people to get things going. Small communities are not just offered a ton of money and told, “Oh, put in a friendship centre, do this, do that”. It usually takes people who say, “Okay, this is a need, and we want to have this done”. Then they get people to help with that, or put a group together in order to find the money to do it, but it takes dedicated individuals or groups to do this.

That's what happened in Rankin Inlet with the friendship centre, which is wonderful. People wanted it, and they found the money in order to do that. In small communities sometimes that's difficult. Even here in Iqaluit, it's the same people often coming up with all the ideas, and the work, and the implementation. Sometimes they start with no money at all, and then have to find ways of getting it. It can be difficult.

There has to be a way of somehow making communities realize there's money available if they want to do get things done and how they can implement that.

Michael McLeod Liberal Northwest Territories, NT

Can I ask you, if there was a new program for cultural centres, and you had to apply for it, then are you going to have the same challenge?

3:05 p.m.

Executive Director, Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line

Sheila Levy

I think if it was put out to communities that this is available, and they had support in applying for it and support in having the program work in a way that worked for their community, then I think, yes. We would get support. I think there would be people in communities to do it. When the friendship centre got going, it wasn't because somebody said, “Here's money for a friendship centre”. It was people saying, “Gee, wouldn't this be great. We could use this”, and they applied. They found ways of getting the money in order to get it going. It was different.

What you're saying is that if you were to offer to all the communities, “There's this amount of money and you can use it to develop a cultural centre”, then I do believe people would be able to get together and see that happen. Some communities are small, and they would probably need a lot of support in order to help write the applications, and get the whole infrastructure going. I do believe people could do that, yes.