I would say I've seen a lot of siloing of care. That is a huge issue in our region. There's the fact that, for example, looking at child development, you might have some aspects that are covered by the provincial system, but who is going to fund the travel? Ultimately, how are you going to get that child care? That's what care is about. It's getting the right care at the right time in the right way.
Sometimes it just seems to me that you have these two systems that are operating and they're not talking to one another as effectively as they could be, and they're not focused on putting the child at the centre and saying, how are we going to get the child care? That's where you get these huge jurisdictional challenges.