Evidence of meeting #3 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 43rd Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was subsidy.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Serge Beaudoin  Assistant Deputy Minister, Northern Affairs, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Tom Wong  Chief Medical Officer and Director General, Office of Population and Public Health, Department of Indigenous Services
Wayne Walsh  Director General, Northern Strategic Policy Branch, Northern Affairs, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

I just want to clarify, Jaime. I really like what you said about not bringing the request as if it's coming to be tried—absolutely not. I'm very supportive of what you said.

We have a certain amount of flexibility in committee to invite who we want as witnesses, so I think as long as that doesn't preclude people from the Wet'suwet'en, a band in the area and the local stakeholders, then I think we could support it.

We do like our language a little bit better, though. We think it's more inclusive than to specifically exclude groups. That said, as long as we have that flexibility, then I think we can be okay with it, as long as there's that ability to invite whomever we wish as our witnesses.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Mr. Viersen.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

I would just echo my colleague's comments. Jaime seemed to allay my fears around the experts on indigenous affairs, as limiting it to academics. If it's much broader than that, I'm happy to support it.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Mr. Powlowski.

Marcus Powlowski Liberal Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON

I have a very brief comment, and that is that “key stakeholders” is a very broad term. I don't think it excludes anybody.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

That's being taken out.

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

But experts on indigenous affairs are saying it.

Marcus Powlowski Liberal Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON

It remains the same. I think “experts on—” is broad too.

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

The more you list, the more specific it gets.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

I believe we can call the question now.

(Amendment agreed to)

(Motion as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thank you for your motion, Madam Bérubé.

Mr. Johns.

Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC

I'm not on this committee, but I would like to suggest that in the future this committee do a study on the various actions that were taken by the federal government that have contributed to disunity and uncertainty and the attempt to remove indigenous peoples from their lands and culture. It's important, I think, that this committee look at that in the long term.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thank you for that comment.

Yes, Jaime.

Jaime Battiste Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

Just to clarify, are we talking about the time since the British North America Act, since the Indian Act or since the—

Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC

I'm not proposing a motion right now, but I just think we can have that conversation.

Jaime Battiste Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

—Constitution? There's been a long history of displacement in Canada for 250 years. I'm just wondering if you can clarify the scope that the NDP would like to—

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

There is no motion on the floor. That's a side discussion. We can get into that, certainly.

The motion is adopted, and now we're going to move on to the briefing by departments.

With us today, we have the officials from the Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs and from the Department of Indigenous Services. Each department will be given up to 10 minutes to make its opening statements.

We'll take a moment to get organized.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Good morning.

Welcome, Monsieur Beaudoin, Mr. Wong and guests. Who would like to go first?

Mr. Beaudoin.

Serge Beaudoin Assistant Deputy Minister, Northern Affairs, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you for the invitation to speak with you today on the important subject of food security in the North as you begin your study.

I would begin by acknowledging that we are on the traditional and unceded territory of the Algonquin people.

I am joined today by Wayne Walsh, Director General of the Northern Strategic Policy Branch within Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada, and my colleagues from the First Nations and Inuit Health Branch of Indigenous Services Canada, Dr. Tom Wong, Chief Medical Officer of Public Health, and Constantine Tikhonov, Acting Director of the Environmental Public Health Division.

I would like to point out that our departments are but two of a number of federal departments working on this important issue.

Food security, or insecurity, in the north is an important issue. That is why we're working directly with indigenous organizations and northern partners to develop additional made-in-the-north solutions. Food security is a complex, multi-jurisdictional issue. It exists in every jurisdiction in Canada, with isolation being one in a series of key drivers. Many isolated communities lacking year-round road access rely on goods flown in and have limited access to goods and services to improve their access to food. The general conditions of isolation aggravate food insecurity, as a lack of transportation, infrastructure, remoteness, reliance on diesel generators, among a host of other factors, serve to increase both the cost of business and the cost of living.

Income, education and access to social services also drive levels of food insecurity. Some communities in Canada have as high as 60% social assistance rates, which limits household expenditures. About 70% of households in Canada on social assistance are food insecure. There's a direct relationship between income and food security.

To improve access in the north, the government began subsidizing the cost of transporting goods, including food, to northern communities in the 1960s. Over time, the focus narrowed from subsidizing the cost of goods to just perishable, nutritious food through the nutrition north Canada program.

Nutrition North Canada is a retail-based subsidy helping to improve access to nutritious food in 116 isolated communities in Canada. Implemented in 2011, the program replaced the former Food Mail program, driven by making nutritious, perishable food more affordable than the goal of it would otherwise be, increasing access to non-perishable food and other essential items, and promoting healthy eating and a nutritious diet in isolated northern communities.

The program provides registered retailers and suppliers with a subsidy to alleviate the high cost of stocking and supplying eligible items in isolated communities. In 2011, the implementation of Nutrition North Canada included the addition of Health Canada and Public Health Agency of Canada retailer education initiatives which encouraged nutritious eating, a key component of a healthy lifestyle.

Since the program was established in 2011, there has been a steady increase in the nutrition north subsidized foods shipped to communities. In 2018-19, over 30 million kilograms of nutritious food was shipped and sold at subsidized rates. That represents about a 50% increase between 2011 and 2019.

Collaboration with partners has been a significant part of enhancing the program since 2011. Through the nutrition north Canada advisory board, information and advice is provided to the Minister of Northern Affairs to help guide the direction and activities of the program and to ensure that northern residents receive the full benefits of the subsidy program. Members are appointed by the Minister of Northern Affairs through an open, transparent and merit-based selection process.

Nutrition north also relies on the expertise and experience provided by its indigenous working group to drive ongoing updates and improvements to the program so that it better serves eligible communities. We launched this in May 2017. The indigenous working group comprises 11 members representing one or more eligible communities, providing northerners living in these communities with a direct voice into the program.

Many eligible communities under the nutrition north program are located in the four Inuit Nunangat regions of Canada. In order to recognize the distinct realities faced by Inuit, the Inuit-Crown food security working group was created in 2019 to promote further collaboration among government departments and Inuit organizations. The working group supports the Inuit-Crown partnership committee by promoting a whole-of-government approach towards improving food security in Inuit Nunangat.

Since implementation, the Nutrition North Canada program has undergone a number of audits and evaluations, with increased scrutiny over transparency and accountability, and ensuring the program's effectiveness in improving access to nutritious food and making it more affordable.

Both the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development and the Office of the Auditor General made recommendations on program changes from 2011 to 2014, including that all isolated communities be given full access to the program, including those south of 60.

In 2016, a massive project was carried out across Canada to gather input from Northerners on how to improve the program. Key recommendations from this process included increased subsidies and broadening the existing eligible food list, support for hunting and harvesting to increase access to country and traditional foods, and support for local food production.

Working with northerners, significant enhancements to the program have been made to reflect recommendations since 2016. The program announced a fully revised food subsidy list, which includes focus on northern staples and family-friendly items such as milk, frozen fruit, frozen vegetables, infant formula and infant food, all with the goal of seeking to lower the cost of nutritious food.

Additional enhancements to the program were announced in 2019. A new surface transportation subsidy was put in place for certain eligible non-perishable items transported by sealift, ice road, or barge, as well as the addition of feminine hygiene products to the eligibility list.

Among the enhancements is the new harvesters support grant, which really supports local food-sharing by reducing the cost of hunting and harvesting for eligible isolated communities in Canada.

The harvesters support grant is based on a partnership approach between indigenous recipient organizations and the department. It has been designed to be indigenous-led, with a recognition that harvesting needs and practices should be driven by communities themselves.

The establishment of the harvesters support grant serves as an important milestone in response to recommendations from northerners, and it is an important step forward in addressing food security in the north beyond subsidizing store-bought market food.

Together and in collaboration with our partners, some good progress has been made, but clearly, more needs to be done.

While the program recognizes access to market food as an important part of helping to alleviate food insecurity in the north, a true response to food insecurity requires solutions beyond nutrition north.

Nutrition North Canada was established to improve the affordability and accessibility of nutritious foods, and while it does offer measurable improvements, it was not designed to address the full range of complex issues leading to food insecurity.

Food insecurity levels in the North...

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Sorry. We've lost the English interpretation.

Monsieur Beaudoin, we have the documents. Please continue on from “Food insecurity levels in the north...”, the second-last paragraph on page 5 of your presentation.

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Northern Affairs, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs

Serge Beaudoin

Thank you.

Food insecurity levels in the North are challenging. More needs to be done to improve the broader well-being of isolated northern communities, and engagement with the working groups and the Advisory Board will help find new solutions.

Other government initiatives have been implemented to help address this issue, including the Canada Northern Economic Development Agency, and Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada's Local Food Infrastructure Fund.

However, these programs alone will not solve food security in the North. It will require a multisystem approach.

We are engaging and listening to northern and indigenous residents to understand what they need to help their families, and we're working with provincial, territorial, industry, harvesters and others to develop new sets of shared northern-based solutions beyond nutrition north.

As such, improving food security in the north will require collaboration and coordination from multiple government jurisdictions and stakeholders, and the department is pleased to be broadening this network in support of strong partnerships and collaborative solutions. There is no shortage of resilience and innovative ideas in northern communities. Our job is to listen, work with northerners, and support northern-led solutions.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thank you, Monsieur Beaudoin.

Dr. Wong, are you going to present to us as well?

Dr. Tom Wong Chief Medical Officer and Director General, Office of Population and Public Health, Department of Indigenous Services

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Our department has no opening remarks, and we are open for questions.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Mr. Viersen, you have six minutes.

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Thank you to our witnesses for being here today.

The nutrition north Canada program has been around for about 10 years, and it probably was designed before that. YouTube was brand new back then, so things have changed a little.

How has nutrition north kept up with changing technology?