Evidence of meeting #18 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was security.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Chief Elmer St. Pierre  Congress of Aboriginal Peoples
Lori Nikkel  Chief Executive Officer, Second Harvest
Chief Garrison Settee  Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak Inc.
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Naaman Sugrue

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

I call to order this meeting of the Standing Committee on Indigenous and Northern Affairs Committee.

We always begin with the acknowledgement of the traditional territories. In Ottawa, that would be the unceded territory of the Algonquin people. Where I'm sitting, it would be Anishinabe, Haudenosaunee and Chonnonton, or neutral first nations.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), and the motion adopted on October 27, 2020, the committee is continuing its study of food security in northern communities.

I would like to briefly mention the technical issues. You may speak and listen in the official language of your choice. At the bottom of the screen, using the little globe, select the language you wish to speak and listen to. That could be floor, English or French.

When speaking, ensure that your video is turned on. Please speak slowly and clearly. When you are not speaking, your mike should be on mute. Once again, it's important that we conduct this carefully, because the meetings to be officially considered have to be properly translated in both official languages.

With us today, by video conference for one hour, are the following three witnesses: National Chief Elmer St. Pierre from the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples; Grand Chief Garrison Settee; and Lori Nikkel, the chief executive officer of Second Harvest.

Thank you all for taking the time to be with us. You have up to six minutes for your opening statement, and then we'll move to questions.

National Chief Elmer St. Pierre, please go ahead.

11:05 a.m.

National Chief Elmer St. Pierre Congress of Aboriginal Peoples

Thank you for the invitation to speak, Bob and the members of the committee.

As you're well aware, my name is Elmer St. Pierre, and I'm the national chief of the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples, CAP.

I'd like to acknowledge being on the traditional, unceded territory of the Mohawk people.

CAP has been a federal organization of the NIOs and represents off-reserve status and non-status Indians, Métis and southern Inuit. This year we celebrate our 50-year anniversary, and we're very proud that we were able to pass the 50 years the way the economy and everything has been going.

Food security was a top priority for CAP and the PTOs' COVID response. Problems with food security existed long before. Over the last year, CAP and the PTOs helped thousands of households across Canada to access food. We provided food hampers, transportation and access to traditional foods. We reached indigenous families in small towns and large cities, especially in the north.

We are thankful for the COVID response funding received, but COVID funding is temporary, and a gap will exist after it is gone. Even when food is available, families need incomes to buy it. One of our members is in Labrador, led by President Todd Russell. They face high food prices, a lack of jobs and a lack of incomes. They are denied the right to access food and resources on their own land—resources like fishing and hunting for food, forestry for heat and fuel. Food is the centre of cultural events and heritage. This is a matter of survival and culture. Only one of Labrador's communities, Black Tickle, is eligible for nutrition north. Many more need help but are denied.

The communities need basic amenities like water, heat, sewage systems and reliable roads. This is the kind of fight for basic equality and essential...that we have been dealing with for decades. CAP and our PTOs are not part of the talks around infrastructure and rights. Inclusion and rights can help build food security, jobs and economics.

The COVID funding example shows that we can offer solutions when we are included. Our communities need support for proper infrastructure. We need to consult with our communities, the same as you do with the AFN, MNC and ITK. Include us, and we can offer solutions. The Constitution does not specify organizations to consult, only that the government needs to consult Indians, Inuit and Métis. We can do that. The Daniels decision decided once and for all that our people are Indians under the Constitution. We are ready to solve these issues together.

At this time, I'd like to thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak to everybody. I'm looking forward to questions.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thanks very much, Elmer.

Next we have the chief executive officer of Second Harvest, Lori Nikkel.

Please go ahead for six minutes.

11:10 a.m.

Lori Nikkel Chief Executive Officer, Second Harvest

Thank you to the esteemed members of the Standing Committee on Indigenous and Northern Affairs for inviting Second Harvest Canada to provide some remarks.

Second Harvest is by no means an expert in the complex and multi-faceted challenges of northern and indigenous food security. What we can tell you is that food security or food insecurity is an outcome of poverty, and food security will only be possible when there are systems and supports in place for people to be able to access the food, housing and other essentials they need, when they need them, without the need for charitable organizations like mine. In the interim, it's imperative we get healthy food to communities at no cost to them.

For those of you unfamiliar with Second Harvest, we're the largest food rescue charity in the country. We're unique in that we redistribute primarily perishable food, and we work at the intersection of hunger relief and environmental protection.

We do this because in Canada 58% of all the food produced is lost or wasted, including 11.2 million metric tonnes of surplus food that could easily be rescued and redistributed. That's enough food to feed every Canadian for five months.

At Second Harvest we create systems to redirect that food to charities, non-profits and northern and indigenous communities. We do this with technology as well as trucks, trains, boats and planes to ensure that this surplus food stays out of landfill where it releases greenhouse gases, like methane, and directly contributes to the climate crisis.

In Canada, there are over 60,000 charities, non-profits and indigenous organizations that use food in their programs. As we are all aware, northern and indigenous communities are disproportionately affected by food insecurity and by climate change.

We have heard that in Fort Smith people have used boats to hunt moose along Slave River for generations, but wet weather and a short spring created so much water higher up in the woods that moose were not walking along the river this fall, which impacted the hunt and the food supply.

Food insecurity is only going to get worse as many communities depend on ice roads for transporting crucial supplies. With the increasing incidence of winter road closures, and reduced load weight limits, there are higher costs for delivering food.

At the beginning of the pandemic, Second Harvest created the Food Rescue Canadian Alliance. This was a national collaboration of industry, government, NGOs and indigenous communities. Our mandate was simply to identify where there would be high volumes of surplus food across the supply chain, and to connect it with the communities that had an increased demand for food.

The indigenous working group came together in an effort to support non-indigenous food relief organizations like mine to distribute food and funds meaningfully to address the heightened food insecurity concerns of many, but especially indigenous, rural and remote communities.

Since then, Second Harvest has led several northern projects, including a grocery gift card program where we leverage funding from the Sprott Foundation to provide over $4.5 million in grocery gift cards with grocers like the Northern Store. The Sprott Foundation has provided over $21 million in COVID relief to food and housing causes.

We offer grants, up to $20,000, through the federal government's emergency food security fund. We ensured our application process was flexible and accessible to northern and indigenous communities, which resulted in the disbursement of about $2.7 million.

Additionally, through the federal government's surplus food rescue program, of which we are strong advocates, we were able to source, process and deliver about two million pounds of fresh, healthy, free food to communities that included fish, chicken, bison and frozen vegetables.

As the government subsidies conclude, we know how critical it is for us to continue to provide these services to communities. However, the logistical infrastructure necessary to get food to the many remote and isolated communities is prohibitively expensive, and a serious contributor to food insecurity.

In the Northwest Territories alone, we all know 33 communities cover one million square kilometres of land, which makes getting good healthy food at a decent price difficult to say the least.

For example, in Aklavik, we shipped a container of 20 skids of mostly meat to a community of about 590 people. The cost was over $85,000 for one shipment. Transporting perishable healthy food is especially complex and expensive.

However, we are committed to ensuring this surplus food will reach the communities that want the food. This is achievable with government support and philanthropic gifts for transportation like the one we received through the Slaight Family Foundation, in combination with amazing logistic partners, including Arctic Co-operatives Limited, Arctic Consultants and Uber Freight, along with essential collaboration with territorial and indigenous government representatives, communities and organizations.

Without a doubt, these challenges existed long before the pandemic, and although nutrition north has attempted to tackle rising food costs, statistics have continued to expose the food insecurity faced by communities, which is increasing in some communities by up to 80%.

We believe there is an opportunity for investment in an indigenous-led organization that can address and mobilize partners such as Second Harvest. There is also an opportunity to examine what strategies have worked, because as we all know, food insecurity is a serious public health issue, and one solution will not work in every community.

We also need audacious leadership and collaboration to support indigenous-led solutions to decrease and ultimately eradicate food insecurity and poverty in northern and indigenous communities.

I want to thank you for providing Second Harvest Canada an opportunity to speak. I would be happy to answer any questions.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thank you very much for your presentation.

We are now joined by Grand Chief Garrison Settee.

11:15 a.m.

Grand Chief Garrison Settee Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak Inc.

Good morning.

It is indeed my honour to be before the Standing Committee on Indigenous and Northern Affairs. My name is Garrison Settee. I'm Grand Chief of the Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak. It's an organization of northern Manitoba chiefs. I bring greetings on behalf of the 26 first nations that I represent. Our territory covers two-thirds of the province of Manitoba. It's a very large territory.

We have presented numerous times in front the House of Commons committees on various issues that affect our member first nations. Today, we appear before this committee to present on food security generally—not specific to the COVID global pandemic that we currently face. However, we are open to questions about the impacts of the pandemic upon our first nations.

In May of 2012, we made a submission to the United Nations special rapporteur on the right to food. I now take this opportunity to provide the context on the food security issues that we face in our north, in MKO first nations. We assert that the MKO first nations express the right to food as food sovereignty, which the MKO first nations and the United Nations both recognize as a concept that is distinctly different from the concept of food security.

Food sovereignty speaks to the rights of the MKO first nations to sustainably meet our food needs in accordance with our customary food preferences and harvesting practices from our traditional territories.

I just wanted to add, before this committee, that I'm cognizant always of the fact that prior to colonization we never had to worry about food sovereignty or food security because our cultures maintained and sustained us since time immemorial. However, today, as we examine the status and state of our first nations when it comes to food security, when all people at all times have physical, social and economic access to food, that is food security, but that is not the reality in which we live. It is not.

Food insecurity presents a particular serious and growing challenge in Canada's indigenous communities. There's a lot of evidence that food insecurity among northern first nations is a growing problem. It has always been a problem, but it's a growing problem that requires urgent attention to address and mitigate the serious impacts. The health and well-being of our people are in jeopardy. They're being threatened because of food insecurity. We assert that food security is encompassed within our assertion of food sovereignty.

Food insecurity is particularly concerning as it pertains to remote, isolated communities. We have 15 communities that require a winter ice road. That's how they get their food and their supplies. That door is only open three months out of the year. With climate change, that is now being threatened. The ability to access food is limited. They have a two-month opportunity, providing that the climate is cold that the roads can be used.

There are a lot of problems associated with food access with our fly-in, remote communities in our north. Limited selection of perishable foods, high food prices, escalating transportation costs, the uncertainty of travel on winter ice roads, high poverty rates and the declining use of our traditional foods have impacted food security.

We engage with other first nations to come up with plans on how we can address this. For example, community-based food action is one possible response to tackle food insecurity, alongside business activities, government programs and social policy. We have to get to the root problem of food insecurity in first nations in northern Manitoba. There must be consideration given to the empowerment and the resourcing of the first nations governments we have in our north.

The unilateral inclusion of Indians by the Crown in the first Constitution of Canada places them as wards of the state, and created a system of dependency, which should not exist. We should be emancipated and be a sovereign people able to determine our own destiny when it comes to food sovereignty. We should be able to move within our sphere to address our needs according to our understanding, because we know our territory.

I want to remind the standing committee that many times in my discussions with governments I said many decisions are made on our behalf without our inclusion, and sometimes those decisions are detrimental to the well-being of our indigenous first nations. So we need to continue to engage with you so that we can make decisions that will help our people instead of bringing harm to them.

The will and actions of Canada are required to make the rightful empowerment and resourcing of first nations a reality as it relates to food security. There is a treaty history amongst our nations, our people and the government. The upholding of these treaties will change the status quo. It will alter the status quo of indigenous people when these treaties are honoured.

We own up to our responsibilities to care for our earth, and our ancestors were assured food security in days that have gone by. Today we can continue to perpetuate the needs of life to our future generations. First nations and Canada need to uphold the true spirit and intent of the treaties and share the empowerment in resourcing of our ways of life, including food sovereignty.

We came here to present that there's a difference between food security and food sovereignty. We must—

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Chief, we're a bit over time. We need to move quickly toward a noon deadline.

11:25 a.m.

Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak Inc.

Grand Chief Garrison Settee

I'm basically done.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

That's good. I think we generally get the point, but more will come up in the rounds of questioning, which begins with six-minute question rounds.

Mr. Melillo, you're up for six minutes.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Eric Melillo Conservative Kenora, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I thank all of our witnesses for joining us today.

I would like to start with Grand Chief Settee.

Grand Chief, I represent the riding of Kenora in northwestern Ontario so we're your neighbour to the east. The majority of the communities in my riding fall under Treaty 3 and Treaty 9 territory, but there's also a small sliver of Treaty 5 in my riding as well.

11:25 a.m.

Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak Inc.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Eric Melillo Conservative Kenora, ON

I think there are a lot of similarities as well between my riding and the regions you represent.

Just in talking about transportation and the infrastructure challenges, you mentioned winter roads. Those are, obviously, challenges we know very well in my region as well.

Can you expand a bit more on some of those transportation challenges and how the government can support that infrastructure?

11:25 a.m.

Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak Inc.

Grand Chief Garrison Settee

For housing, they need transportation. For the stocking of stores in first nations communities, they absolutely need those roads because the price of freight and cargo is astronomical. No individual alone will be able to afford to bring in food for themselves, so that's a factor and it has always been a factor.

Fifty fly-in remote communities in our first nations are suffering if they don't have those roads. Sometimes that road cannot be used because of warm weather so their opportunities are limited. Sometimes the stores struggle with supply and demand. It's a reality we live in every year. About two or three periods of the year our people are suffering with getting supplies.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Eric Melillo Conservative Kenora, ON

Absolutely. I definitely appreciate those comments.

I think it goes into something I have been hearing a lot in my region about the need for more development, responsible development, in collaboration with northern communities and indigenous communities. I think you mentioned the empowerment aspect.

Would you agree that, in collaboration with indigenous communities and with the north, if the government were to support more economic development that would help to bridge the gap, because, obviously, there are a number of issues that contribute to the issue of food insecurity as well?

Would you agree that would help raise the standard of living as well?

11:30 a.m.

Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak Inc.

Grand Chief Garrison Settee

In northern Canada, in first nations, usually the rate of unemployment is 85%, if not more. Economic opportunities are the thing that will bring emancipation to our people from poverty, and education is our way out of poverty. I'm a former teacher, so I've been preaching this for 20 years, that education and economic development go hand in hand. You cannot have one without the other.

If you zero in on economic opportunities to enable people to be employed, I think that's moving in the right direction.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Eric Melillo Conservative Kenora, ON

Thank you.

I'll just ask you one more question quickly and then hopefully have some time to get to a couple of the other witnesses as well. I'll let you pick up where you left off in your opening remarks. You were talking about food sovereignty and the need for a focus on cultural and traditional foods. Has the government done enough to support that, in your view? What could the government do better to help support that?

11:30 a.m.

Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak Inc.

Grand Chief Garrison Settee

The ability to access our traditional foods has been limited because of development relating to hydro projects and pipelines. Our food security has been altered by that. That does not mean we can continue to exercise our right to hunt, trap and fish. Those are the things. There's a big argument, and it's political, about natural resources transfer agreements that have really impacted our first nations.

Anyway, to make a long story short, the answer is no. Not enough has been done. There needs to be more resourcing for our first nations.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Eric Melillo Conservative Kenora, ON

I appreciate that honesty and openness. That's very good for our committee to hear.

Thank you for those comments.

I will ask Ms. Nikkel next.

This is on the transportation side as well. I'm curious to get your thoughts. Your organization, as I understand it, operates across Canada, including in the territories. Have you found difficulty with the transportation challenges that we know exist across the north?

11:30 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Second Harvest

Lori Nikkel

We're lucky because we have great partners, but we clearly can't provide the amount of food that is needed. Transportation is incredibly expensive and it's almost prohibitive for us to get food into northern communities. Also, the reality is that the land mass is so huge. It's multiple trips, but you can do only one-and-done, so you have to bring up a whole lot to support one community and hope they can store the food.

The melting of the permafrost is not helping those ice roads at all. Everything's becoming far more expensive. Getting planes out.... Perishable food is also the challenge, because the way you manage perishable food is very different from shelf-stable food in cans.

All that is to say I don't think it's news to anybody, but transportation is a huge issue in getting food to those communities.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Eric Melillo Conservative Kenora, ON

Thank you.

Chair, I think I'm running low on time.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

You have just 10 seconds left.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Eric Melillo Conservative Kenora, ON

I'll give that back to you.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thanks very much.

Ms. Zann, you have six minutes. Please, go ahead.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Lenore Zann Liberal Cumberland—Colchester, NS

Thank you so much, Mr. Chair.

Thank you so much to the witnesses. It's very compelling testimony, and of course this committee has been hearing from a lot of people right across the country about the challenges that are facing the north and indigenous communities in terms of food security, which is such an important part of people's life and health.

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11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I think she's frozen, Chair.