Okay. I appreciate that. That is concerning, obviously. We're talking about something that is law in Canada and that presumably is not being met and hasn't even been defined.
Mr. Barbosa, you mentioned that you didn't know what the litmus test would be of that. I think that's a legitimate concern. That's one we've raised, frankly, on this side of the House. That speaks to the further discussion we need to determine what that would be. I'm very open to that, Mr. Chair.
I would ask, for what's currently written, what the litmus test would be for “consultation and co-operation”, because I think that's also very ambiguous. As I mentioned, we heard a number of concerns from chiefs and leaders across the country about the development of this legislation, and that they do not feel they were consulted or that there was true co-operation or co-development. I would ask whether there's a defined litmus test—to use your words—for that term.