Evidence of meeting #135 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Malachie Azémar

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

Okay. We have secured additional resources.

Mr. Carr is next in line, and then you're correct that there is time for one extra round.

Mr. Carr, go ahead.

Ben Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

I have two things, Mr. Chair.

First, can you or the clerk please confirm what time this meeting began?

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

We did start late. I will get the exact...

The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Malachie Azémar

We started at 8:17.

Ben Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

What time did Mr. Battiste's intervention begin?

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

Do you have the exact time?

There was time for one more round of questioning.

Ben Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Okay. Then why are we talking about additional resources when we will have satisfied the two hours that the House order put upon us?

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

We did start late, and there were multiple disruptions, so we were going to allow one more round of questioning.

Ben Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Yes, but disruptions or not, the committee proceedings were two hours.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

On that point, the Liberals can't say their repeated efforts to disrupt the testimony count to satisfy the House order. We will have two hours with Mr. Boissonnault in accordance with the House order.

I have no problem discussing other matters in the interim, provided there's not a failure to understand the obligations this committee has in terms of the House order.

I think, Chair, that you very responsibly secured resources so that this important issue that's been raised can be discussed and that we can also satisfy the House order at the same time. For the Liberals to say that their repeated disruptions count toward the time is obviously absurd.

Ben Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order on that note.

If a member opposite uses language like “liar”, which is in contravention of the rules, and as a result of their use of that language takes time away from the committee, that is hardly the fault of members opposite them. They used that language by choice. The time that has to be used to deal with that is not a penalty against any other member; it's the result of and a by-product of the behaviour that they chose to comport themselves with.

For clarity, Mr. Chair, I think that's important.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

Your point is taken.

Mr. Melillo, go ahead.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Eric Melillo Conservative Kenora, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Obviously, this is a very important motion. We're waiting for a subamendment to address this more fully, but we do have rounds of questioning to finish. I would like to respect everyone's time. I would move that we proceed back to questioning of the witness and come back to this discussion once that subamendment has been circulated.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

Do we have the motion?

The Clerk

No, we have the amendment.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

Okay. The motion, as moved by Mr. Melillo, is to proceed to the next questioner. That would be Mr. Cooper.

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Chair, I—

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

We will have a vote to proceed to—

Ben Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

Yes. Hang on.

Mr. Drouin, go ahead, and then Mr. Carr.

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

We can—

Ben Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

It's dilatory, but there was a motion that wasn't dealt with before you introduced a new motion.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

It's dilatory.

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

It's to adjourn debate.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

No, it's not to adjourn debate. It's a different motion.