Evidence of meeting #135 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Malachie Azémar

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

I call this meeting to order.

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to meeting number 135 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Indigenous and Northern Affairs.

We recognize that we meet on the unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe peoples.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, February 1, and the order of reference of Tuesday, November 19, 2024, the committee is resuming its study on the barriers to economic development in indigenous communities.

We have a witness today, the Honourable Randy Boissonnault, the Member of Parliament for Edmonton Centre. We welcome MP Boissonnault.

You'll have 10 minutes for your opening statement, after which we will proceed with rounds of questions.

Mr. Boissonnault, you have 10 minutes.

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Thanks very much, Mr. Chair.

Colleagues, the last few weeks have been an incredibly difficult time for me and my family. I would like to clarify any confusion about my heritage and my previous business relationship.

In 1970, I was adopted by a supportive and loving family. They are the only family I have ever known. While I was growing up, my family taught me about their indigenous heritage. I was told that my great-grandmother, whom I knew as a child, was Cree. That was our family's understanding. Later in life, I sought advice on how to speak about my family history in a thoughtful way. As someone adopted into an indigenous family, I wanted to speak about that history in a way that was respectful and accurate. That is why I worked with an indigenous researcher, and it is how I arrived at the term non-status adopted Cree. This term ensured that I claimed no indigenous status for myself, while it also honoured the indigenous heritage of the family who adopted and raised me.

During the pandemic, my family delved further into our history, which led to my adoptive mother and my adoptive brother becoming Métis citizens earlier this year. Further revelations have come to light through the media since October that were as much a surprise to me as they were to Canadians.

It has been difficult to see our family's history challenged publicly. I recognize that the ways in which I described my heritage have not always been as accurate as they could have been. As I have said before, for this I sincerely apologize. To be clear, I have never claimed indigenous status for myself.

Edmonton has one of the fastest-growing urban indigenous populations in Canada. As the MP for Edmonton Centre, I attended the indigenous caucus as an ally. I welcomed the opportunity to represent the interests of indigenous Edmontonians as an ally. I have never attempted to leverage my adopted family's history for personal or political gain. I've never identified as indigenous on any application form, nor have my businesses ever benefited as a result.

I believe the safeguards in place to prevent non-indigenous businesses from receiving funding meant for indigenous proponents are extremely important. With respect to Global Health Imports, GHI, I am glad that the current safeguards worked correctly. I am committed to doing my best, always being clear about my history and being a better ally for indigenous people. I have learned much from this difficult experience, and my commitment to reconciliation has never been stronger.

With regard to my former business partner at GHI, based on media disclosures, I believe Mr. Anderson has been using my name without my consent to further GHI's interests since 2021. In my opinion, he acted unethically, and he was able to mislead many people. I take my obligations as a public office holder very seriously. I did not run any businesses while I was serving the public. I should never have trusted that person as a business partner. His alleged actions have severely damaged my reputation. Despite multiple opportunities to explain himself, including before the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics, he refused to do the right thing and be transparent. He refused to admit that he used my name without my knowledge or consent.

During my time at GHI, prior to the 2021 election, the company never received any funds from federal contracts, I'm not mentioned in any of the lawsuits against the company, and the events reported in the media occurred after I withdrew from the company.

To be clear, after I stepped away in the fall of 2021, GHI continued to operate as a company under the exclusive direction and control of Mr. Anderson. I deeply regret entering into a business with Mr. Anderson, and I will do everything in my power to protect myself and my reputation with respect to his alleged actions. I consulted a lawyer to explore all options to restore my reputation with respect to Mr. Anderson's alleged actions.

It is an honour to serve the people of Edmonton Centre as their member of Parliament and to have served Canadians as a minister. I remain focused on the job I was elected to do.

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

Thank you very much, Mr. Boissonnault. That was right on time. I appreciate that.

I welcome to the committee all of our new faces around the table.

We'll begin the first round of questioning.

For six minutes, we have Michael Barrett.

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Boissonnault, I'll give you an opportunity to come clean with Canadians: Who's the other Randy?

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Chair, could you have the member please clarify his question?

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

It's a pretty straightforward question. In your previous appearance at other committees in this scandal, you said that it was another Randy. Who is the other Randy at your former company, Global Health Imports?

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Barrett, I am not involved in any of the conversations. If you are referring to reports in the media, I am not involved in those conversations. The Ethics Commissioner has indicated very clearly that I'm not involved in any of those conversations, any of those texts, between Mr. Anderson and the person you've just raised.

In fact, if you take a look at recent court cases, the Ghaoui Group has indicated that they've never met me—and I've never met them—and 4M Medical has indicated that they have never met me, and I have never met them, and—

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

The problem we have is that you previously said that you didn't have any contact with your business partner, Mr. Anderson, while you were serving in Justin Trudeau's cabinet, but then, when you got caught, you admitted that you of course had sent text messages and that there was a phone call between you and your business partner exactly when he was corresponding with potential clients and fraud victims about Randy and Randy being in Vancouver, and that's where you were.

The problem we have is that in committee appearances you've lied about owning 50% of the business, you lied about being in communication—

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Chair—

8:30 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

—you lied about there being another Randy—

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

That is not a fair characterization, Mr. Chair.

Ben Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

8:30 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

—you lied about being indigenous and you lied about being a journalist.

How can we believe anything that you say today?

An hon. member

I have a point of order.

8:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

Mr. Barrett, just one second, please. We have a point of order.

I don't know who raised it.

I have Mr. Carr.

Ben Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Mr. Chair, can you provide us with your reflections, please, on whether or not you believe it's within order to refer to a member in committee as a liar? Perhaps you can consult the clerk if you're unsure.

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

On that same point of order, we also have the Conservative House leader, who refers to himself as an American insurance broker, and we know that's a lie. Are we going to invite him to committee?

8:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

Okay. All right.

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

I'm just wondering about having the same standards.

8:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Jamie Schmale

Okay. Well, maybe we can change the language a bit and not refer to people as liars.

I'll give you your time back, Mr. Barrett.

8:30 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

How can we believe anything you say when all of the things I have listed that you've said aren't true? You said you were indigenous. You said you were a journalist. You said you weren't in contact with your business partner. You said that the company wasn't getting any federal contracts. All of those things aren't true. You've said one thing and the exact opposite is true.

Now your Liberal colleagues want to put flowery language around that. If you say something that's not true, we all know what that is. Why should we believe you? How can we believe you today?

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Well, Mr. Chair, through you, I would like like to inform Mr. Barrett that he's simply mistaken and putting false claims out. We've litigated this at the ethics committee twice now.

The Ethics Commissioner himself has indicated that on the 6th, 7th and 8th of September I was not involved in the text messages that the National Post and the Conservatives keep trying to raise. I'm simply not the person involved in those conversations.

There was a text exchange between me and Mr. Anderson regarding a Purolator account that needed to be settled, and I was very clear about that at the ethics committee. There was no communication between us in the following days—

8:30 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Your story always seems to change once you—

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Barrett, let me finish. I was at cabinet on—

8:30 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

No, sir. It's my time.