Yes. On joint ventures, there are instances where it's been very successful. There is an increasing number of first nations who are cutting into resource development projects through equity partnerships and also business partnerships, or joint ventures, if you will, where it is working. It is successful. The community is a large partner in that engagement.
Unfortunately, there are people who are taking advantage of perhaps a reduced capacity or capability of indigenous parties to position themselves fairly within a joint venture, if you will, and taking advantage of those moments to advance their own interests. In my view, at least, these are people who, as I mentioned earlier, believe these programs are seen as preferential treatment and special advantages, and ultimately want to access those for themselves, for their own benefit.