I think the issue of departmental results indicators moving from year to year is clearly not unique to these two departments. As I said, it's widespread. How do you fix that? That's a good question. I think it's up to ministers to set targets and to try to make their officials stick to them.
There is a committee of ministers, the Treasury Board. I think these ministers are empowered to impose targets on departments and to force them to stick to them and to have them explain why they can't meet certain targets. It certainly would be an improvement over the process in which these targets and these indicators themselves are determined by officials and almost imposed on ministers who do not have the right tools to challenge these and or to easily suggest changes from year to year.
It's a topic I have raised before. I'm not making any friends in the public service when I make these comments, but I'm here to tell you what I think when you ask me, and that's exactly what I'm doing again today and probably losing the only two friends I had left.