With apologies, we're at the end of the time for this panel.
I would like to thank all of the witnesses for being here today. I hope it was a gentle introduction to the committee process for those of you who are here for the first time. We really appreciate your testimony. Thank you for making the time to join us.
Thank you to everybody in the public who has also taken time to travel here and be with us today.
We're going to now suspend and bring in our second panel. I would ask people to stay close by. We're going to do the sound checks, and we'll get started as quickly as we can.
For now, the meeting is suspended.