Evidence of meeting #86 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was treaties.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Martin Reiher  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Treaties and Aboriginal Government, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Michael Schintz  Federal Negotiations Manager, Negotiations - Central, Treaties and Aboriginal Government, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

Mr. Battiste has the floor, so we'll hear him out. Then we'll go to Madame Gill.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

I'm not hearing a lot of support to go in camera.

5 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I agree with...

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

Just wait.

5 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

I apologize, I didn't see that Mr. Battiste hadn't finished speaking.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

Wait one minute for Mr. Battiste, and then I'll come to you, Madame Gill.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

I do want to talk to the technicians on Bill C-53, so I'd ask that we adjourn debate on this.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

The motion is to adjourn debate. We need to vote on that. We'll call the question and see what the results are. The question is being put, so I need to ask the clerk to call the vote.

5 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, adjourning debate isn't in order. We are to go straight to the vote on the actual motion.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

I'll consult with the clerk, but my understanding is that the dilatory motion needs to be dispensed with and would override the vote on the motion. Let me clarify.

I stand corrected. The technicality is that in order to resume debate, because it was brought forward before and debate was adjourned, as I understand, we need a vote then to resume debate on that motion. That's the same thing. It goes straight to a vote.

The motion that we have, then, is to resume debate on the motion. That will be the question that we put. If we vote in favour, then the debate continues.

5 p.m.

An hon. member

It's the same outcome.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

Exactly.

If it's voted against, then it still sits suspended.

I'll get our clerk to lead the calling of the vote, which can be recorded.

5 p.m.

An hon. member

If it's suspended, they'll just keep bringing it up.

5 p.m.

An hon. member

We can dispense with this really quickly and get back to our—

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

We're going to call the vote really quickly.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

What's the question?

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

The question is on whether we resume debate of the motion.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

Who made the motion?

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

It was Mr. Zimmer.

5:05 p.m.

An hon. member

So you're voting yes.

5:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

I'm not going to give any clues here, but—

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

I will be voting no to resuming debate.

(Motion negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John Aldag

That is not carried. We will not resume debate on that motion. At this time, it remains on the books, and at the next meeting or thereafter it can be brought forward.

With that, we have exhausted the five minutes on Mr. Zimmer's clock—and we've had that discussion before—so we will now move to the next person.

I have Mr. McLeod next on the list for five minutes of questions.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Michael McLeod Liberal Northwest Territories, NT

I'm sorry, Mr. Chair, but I didn't hear you.