Industry and Technology Committee on Dec. 1st, 2025

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

Did you have your hand up, Mr. Falk?

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

I had it up right after that amendment was dropped, so a new speaking list—

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

You did. That speaking list is now moot because we are no longer on that item. We are now debating the motion as amended last week.

I have Madame O'Rourke, Mr. Bardeesy and Mr. Bains.

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

I was just before that. As soon as we agreed that the amendment was no longer in place and that we would be discussing the amended motion by the Bloc, my hand went up and you acknowledged it.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

Okay, Mr. Falk. There are two things here. One, my understanding was that your hand was up to speak to the amendment as it had been presented. We can't add to the speaking list while we're not on a particular debate.

Your hand was up in relation to the amendment, so far as I understood it. Even if you meant to have your hand up in relation to the main—

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

That was the previous one.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

That's right. However, we weren't on that, so we didn't have the ability to create a speaking list on it at that point.

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

That's fine.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

I can add your name to this one.

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

No.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

Okay.

I have Madame O'Rourke, Mr. Bardeesy and Mr. Bains. This is a conversation now, colleagues, on the motion as presented by Madam Dancho originally and then amended by the Bloc, as we agreed upon last meeting.

Are we all good? Okay.

Madame O'Rourke, the floor is yours.

[Dominique O'Rourke, Liberal, Guelph, ON]

Speaking to the amendment, Mr. Chair, I think the sectors, while related, are fairly distinct, because you have—

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

I have a point of order.

We're not speaking to the amendment anymore. We're speaking to the amended motion.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

That's right, Mr. Falk. What's the point of order in relation to?

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

Madame O'Rourke says she's speaking to the amendment, but she should be speaking to the motion.

[An hon. member]

She's getting there.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

Madame O'Rourke, I suspect that when you said “amendment”, you meant the motion as amended, not Mr. Noormohamed's amendment.

[Dominique O'Rourke, Liberal, Guelph, ON]

I'm seeking clarification, Mr. Chair. I had to excuse myself at the end of the meeting last week to attend the December 6 commemoration, an all-party event, so I appreciated that Mr. Noormohamed was here.

My understanding is that we are talking about the Bloc amendment right now.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

No.

Colleagues, let me do my best to hit reset. I'm going to give you a very brief chronology of what happened.

Last meeting, Madam Dancho put forward a motion on the auto sector. As we were debating it, Monsieur Ste-Marie put forward an amendment. That amendment was adopted, so now the motion is being debated as amended. Then Mr. Noormohamed put forward an amendment. I ruled that amendment was in order. Madam Dancho challenged the chair's ruling. The chair's ruling was overturned. Therefore, pretend as though Mr. Noormohamed's amendment didn't happen at all. It's not admissible by virtue of the vote that overturned the chair's ruling. Now we are reverting back to debate on the motion, but remember that the motion was amended once with the Bloc addition.

Is that all right, colleagues? Did that make sense? Okay.

Madame O'Rourke, you have the floor in relation to the motion as amended by the Bloc.

[Dominique O'Rourke, Liberal, Guelph, ON]

I appreciate the committee's indulgence to get me up to speed.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

I understand things can be difficult to keep track of.

[Dominique O'Rourke, Liberal, Guelph, ON]

You all know this is an issue that is so dear to my heart. I chair the Liberal auto caucus. Over 16,500 jobs in my riding of Guelph are related to manufacturing, and at least 12,000 of them are directly related, so this is critically important.

The reason I upheld the chair's ruling on the original amendment is that what is before the House right now—

[Raquel Dancho, Conservative, Kildonan—St. Paul, MB]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[Dominique O'Rourke, Liberal, Guelph, ON]

I'm speaking to the motion.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ben Carr]

Madame O'Rourke, I have to address points of order as they come up, so I'll just ask you to hold off momentarily.

Go ahead, Madam Dancho.