Yes, and what is more, I think it will soon be in effect at the provincial level. Between you and me, in many cases, the industry guaranteed loans for our skidders. It's as clear as that.
Going back to what Renaud said, we claim that 2,000 to 3,000 young graduates won't be around for the recovery because they won't want to wait eight to 10 months to find another job and will leave the regions. You can offer any kind of course; the young people won't be there anymore. If you offered the ones who are 53, 54 or 55 the opportunity to take early retirement, they would stay in the area. However, as long as these people have three or four more years and there are no programs to enable them to get their jobs back, they won't stay in the area. They'll go to work in Montreal or other urban centres. They'll simply leave the Quebec regions. That's what's dramatic. You can have 10,000 programs, but if you don't target the right issue—which we think is to help those who are near retirement make room for the younger labour force—you won't be doing them any favours.