It is entirely legal to guarantee us loans at a commercial rate. A loan guarantee at a preferential rate or with assumed interest payments is illegal. I don't know who wrote that, yesterday or the day before, but hiding behind the fear that the Americans will apply penalties... We experienced Lumber IV—you must remember that—and we won in all the tribunals for three or four years, and we nevertheless faced proceedings. We have to stop being afraid. Fear of being afraid paralyzes the brain; you know that. You have to let the industry live. If you examine the coalition argument for filing the complaint, you see that it's arguing that it was precisely because there was no commercial rate percentage. At least people raise that point. They'll have to prove that it's lower than the commercial rate. They say that in their argument, in their presentation. The federal government lawyers defending us, representing us, argued that in the second round of arbitration. They defended the fact that a loan was made; it's all right. So we have statements like this one this morning, and those we've heard for the past two or three weeks. A lot of politicians hide behind that idea so as not... They call that access to credit.
Let them give us the opportunity to have access to credit at a reasonable rate that enables us to get through the crisis. That's what we want. We're not asking for subsidies or assumed interest payments or loans at lower interest rates. We're asking you to give us access to credit at a commercial percentage, so that we can be competitive. That's all we're asking. Any argument to confuse people, to claim that it's illegal and that they know the truth is misleading and intellectually incorrect.