Evidence of meeting #3 for Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was industry.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Billy Hewett  Director General, Policy and Sector Services Branch, Industry Sector, Department of Industry
François Delorme  Chief Economist and Director General, Micro-Economic Policy Analysis Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave Van Kesteren

Good morning, and welcome to the subcommittee. We are very privileged to have with us this morning the officials from Industry Canada.

We discussed the forestry sector at the last meeting, and that was because it would have been impossible to have the industry officials prepare their brief. However, I understand they are prepared. I understand as well that we will be doing something a little bit different this morning. Rather than having each witness present their case for their allotted seven minutes, we're going to allow Mr. Hewett to address us for 20 minutes. He'll give us an overview, and then we will begin this session with questions, beginning of course with the Liberals.

Welcome, industry officials. Welcome, Mr. Bouchard.

Thank you, sir, for your patience. You may begin.

9:05 a.m.

Billy Hewett Director General, Policy and Sector Services Branch, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Merci beaucoup.

Mr. Chair, members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity to join you today. My name is Billy Hewett. I am the Director General for the Policy and Sector Services Branch for the Industry Sector at Industry Canada. Accompanying me today are:

Emilee Pedruchny is director of the sector intelligence and analysis, information and communications technologies branch, and François Delorme is the department's chief economist and director general of the micro-economic policy analysis branch.

This morning I'll begin with an overview of the Canadian economy and industrial pressures, focusing on the broader trends in manufacturing. Then I'll complete my remarks with a sector-by-sector review of the recent performance and circumstances specific to industrial groups, as we understand you're interested in sectors in crisis, those feeling in particular the economic pressures currently pervading the economy.

Manufacturing directly contributes close to 14% of GDP and employs close to 1.9 million workers in Canada, mostly in full-time jobs. It accounts for two-thirds of all goods exports and for a little over half of all R and D expenditures in Canada.

A broad range of related industries depend on the sector as a key purchaser of their products and services.

Despite the strong overall performance of the Canadian economy prior to the last part of 2008, not all sectors were performing equally well. The manufacturing sector, in fact, has been undergoing significant adjustment for much of the current decade, driven in part by strong commodity prices, until recently, and a steadily appreciating Canadian dollar.

Since peak employment in November 2002, some 345,000 jobs had been lost through to the end of 2007, mostly in Ontario and Quebec. During this period, manufacturing GDP managed to be relatively stable, although it contained a range of performance by industry.

It was within this climate that the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology delivered its report on manufacturing in 2007.

More recently, and in the last number of months in particular, the economic climate has changed dramatically. The manufacturing sector has been particularly challenged by emerging cyclical factors that are having a sharp and pronounced impact. Manufacturing GDP contracted 5.1% last year, and manufacturing sales have fallen every month since August 2008 to near 10-year lows. Also, since 2007, an additional 110,500 jobs have been lost across the sector.

The situation is changing so quickly that it's hard to obtain up-to-date information on the current state of the economy. By the time official statistics become available, information is no more than confirmation of what companies and workers already know. Forecasts have been continually revised downward.

Mr. Chairman, in this environment, real-time intelligence from across Canada, such as this committee's March 12 meeting with the forest sector, presents and provides real value.

I understand that this committee is looking at sectors in crisis, and while I will identify some of these challenges going across a number of industries, I also want to pass on some other more hopeful messages that I and the government have been receiving from industry.

Dating back to the pre-budget consultations through to today, one message is clear throughout: in managing the short-term pressures, we also need to keep our eye on the future. Even in this economic climate, many firms are optimistic. They realize it is necessary to continue to invest in innovation, machinery and equipment, and in skills. These are fundamental building blocks for future growth and competitiveness, and we need to keep this longer view in mind when examining the current situation.

Not all industries are facing pressures equally. Some, such as the pharmaceutical industry, electrical appliances, and much of the services sector, have been continuing to grow. Having said that,

there is no doubt that an over-riding pressure facing industrial sectors since last fall is obtaining financing. This was underscored in the January 2009 release of the Bank of Canada's Business Outlook Survey.

The Survey found that the percentage of firms reporting tighter credit conditions was at record highs. Nearly two-thirds of firms reported tighter credit conditions than over the previous quarter. This includes both price and availability of credit.

Canada's exporters have been challenged not only by the sharp drop in demand from the U.S., but also by the volatility of the Canadian dollar. While the value of the dollar has retreated, it remains above the exchange rate of the 1990s and early 2000s.

One might expect that the lower dollar would help exporters, but demand in the U.S. has dropped sharply, clearly off-setting the effect of the lower dollar.

Increasing global competition also continues to be a major challenge for parts of the Canadian manufacturing sector. Canada used to account for the largest share of manufactured goods imported into the United States. In 2005 we were displaced by China. Like industries throughout the OECD, Canadian industries must continue to adjust to new, more globally integrated markets and value chains.

Another challenge has been the volatility of commodity prices. While prices for oil and other commodities, such as non-ferrous metals, rose sharply in recent years, the current drop has been steep as global demand falls. The effect of these and other pressures will continue to vary by industry, Mr. Chairman.

Let me now take a closer look at the performance of specific industrial sectors to provide you with a more detailed perspective.

Several manufacturing sectors face a combination of both ongoing structural challenges, and the new challenges brought about by the recession. These include information and communications technology, electrical and appliances, textiles and apparel, furniture, leather, and pulp and paper industries.

Let me give you some examples from textiles and apparel, and the pulp and paper industry. Over the past decade, the elimination of quotas and the rise of low-cost competitors have hit Canada's textiles and apparel industries. Global competition has generated a steady, substantial decline in their domestic market share and their share of the U.S. market. The recent decline in U.S. demand and the current credit conditions have made things worse. From 2000-2008, this industry experienced average annual declines in GDP of 9.2%.

To remain competitive, the Canadian textile and apparel industries have focused on higher value added niche markets, such as high end fabrics used for body armour and carbon and glass fabrics for composites used in the aerospace industry.

In terms of the regions that have been affected most by the challenges faced by apparel and textiles, Canada has large apparel clusters in Toronto and Montreal. Montreal is the third largest production centre in North America.

Quebec accounts for 58% of Canadian apparel shipments and for approximately half of apparel employment. With respect to the textile industry, about 44% of it is concentrated in Ontario and 38% is in Quebec.

The pulp and paper industry also faces both structural and cyclical effects. Some 34% of the industry is concentrated in Quebec. Ontario has 28% and British Columbia 19%. Between 2000 and 2008, the average annual reduction in GDP of the pulp and paper industry was 2.8%. Average annual loss in employment was 4.9% during that time.

Structural challenges include a decline in demand for newsprint and the emergence of low-cost, highly efficient pulp and newsprint producers in South America and Asia.

Let me turn now to industries in which cyclical challenges are predominant.

Let me turn now to industries where cyclical challenges are predominant. These industries include the wood, automotive, plastics and rubber, steel, and chemicals industries. We have also begun to see cyclical pressures emerge in aerospace and ship and boat building. Still other areas, such as biotechnology and ICT, are being challenged in particular by venture capital financing pressures.

The wood industry, during the last decade, has faced increased competition from abroad, U.S. market access challenges, a rising Canadian dollar, and, more recently, the collapse of the U.S. housing market. Between 2000 and 2008, employment in the wood industry declined by more than 33,000 jobs.

The tightening of North American credit markets has made the situation even more difficult for wood and other companies that need to refinance in the short term. In some cases, companies have closed unproductive mills, curtailed production, or sold their assets.

Quebec accounts for 30% of the wood industry; British Columbia, 29%; Ontario, 19%; and Alberta, 11%.

The U.S. recession has also been very hard on the overall automotive and related industries. Ontario is home to all 13 of Canada's assembly plants and 94% of auto parts output. In January 2009 alone, motor vehicle manufacturing sales dropped 45% and motor vehicle parts sales dropped 27%.

Mr. Chairman, the subcommittee on the automotive industry in Canada is examining these issues right now, so I need not go into detail here. But I would point out some of the other industries that have been hurt by the overall slowdown in the auto producers.

The supplier industries have been hit hard. Nearly 20% of the revenue from plastics and rubber comes from sales to the Canadian and U.S. automotive and parts sector.

The plastics industry is regionally diversified. There are more than 2,500 plastics establishments in Canada, most of which are located in Ontario, Quebec, Alberta, and British Columbia. To stay ahead of competition from emerging countries, some plastics firms have been developing new technologies, such as new products to displace metal parts in automobiles. The automotive industry is one of its biggest customers, but the plastics industry also sells heavily into the packaging, electronics, and construction industries.

This has traditionally been a high-growth industry, but sales have dropped since 2006 and particularly since the start of the U.S. recession. During the six-month period from July to December 2008, the GDP loss in the plastics industry was 11.9%.

Nearly 16% of steel revenues come from sales to the motor vehicles and parts industry. Canadian steel producers enjoyed high product prices until the second quarter of 2008, when global and North American demand fell. The largest demand reduction has been from the automotive sector, steel service centres, and construction. As a result, steel production has been cut back. Two plants in southern Ontario have been closed, and steel facilities remaining now operate at 50% to 60% of capacity. Most of the steel industry's facilities are concentrated in Ontario; however, there are also operations in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Quebec.

The aerospace sector has also started to face some cyclical pressures. The Canadian aerospace industry is one of the few manufacturing industries that grew consistently between 2000 and 2008, at a rate of 1.6% annually. The industry entered this recession with a strong order book. However, the declining demand for air travel and financial uncertainties have affected the demand for commercial and business aircraft. As a result, some orders have been deferred and others cancelled. In light of this, production rates for both commercial and business aircraft have been reduced and layoffs have occurred in Canada and elsewhere. Even with these ongoing pressures, however, new product R and D is continuing.

Any slowdown in production that does occur would be felt mostly in Quebec and Ontario. In 2006, Quebec accounted for 56% of aerospace sales, while Ontario accounted for a 28% share. Smaller aerospace clusters can be found in Atlantic Canada, Manitoba and British Columbia.

Ship and boat building has also been hit by the recession. This industry is small by global standards and depends on large orders, which tend to be cyclical in nature. The downturn has resulted in many ship order cancellations, but the existing order book enables many shipyards to continue construction of vessels. However, some clients have been affected by the ongoing credit issue, and in at least one case we are aware that Export Development Canada has stepped in to help with financing.

The non-pharmaceutical part of the chemical industry is also facing challenges of a cyclical nature. This industry is regionally diversified, with over 3,000 chemical establishments in Canada: 40% are located in Ontario, 28% in Quebec, and 13% in each of Alberta and British Columbia.

Since 2005, real GDP in the chemical industry has declined 2% per year. From July to December 2008, output fell over 15%. The economic downturn has significantly reduced demand for many chemicals, which feed into the automotive, plastics, construction, textiles, and pulp and paper industries. Major international chemical companies have announced plans to close facilities temporarily and to cancel previously announced mergers and acquisitions.

Mr. Chairman, let me now turn to other industries in which financing issues are the predominant concern. These include information and communication technology, or ICT, and biotechnology sectors. Canada's ICT sector is driven by innovation and is in a constant state of change. Nearly 98% of ICT firms have fewer than 100 employees. The sector depends on research to create new products, services, and applications.

In recent years, the Canadian sector's traditional leadership in communications equipment has been declining. The sector faces competitive pressures, such as the emergence of China and India as major players. These countries offer low-cost options for manufacturing, and more recently they are able to take up significant R and D positions.

The current economic climate has resulted in a cyclical downturn in demand for ICT products. In the last quarter of 2008, ICT output fell by 2.5%. Overall, the slowdown in both product demand and access to venture capital severely challenges ICT companies. More than half of Canadian ICT shipments originate from Ontario, followed by Quebec with 19%.

Let me touch next on the biotechnology sector, which is mostly comprised of companies in human health and is concentrated in Quebec, Ontario, and British Columbia, accounting together for approximately 87% of total industry employment.

This industry has experienced positive output and employment growth during the past five years; however, many of the firms have low cash reserves and could be forced to close operations if they are unable to find partners. Canadian biotechnology firms are highly dependent for their survival and growth on the inflow of venture capital and on raising money in public markets, both of which have essentially been closed to them. In the absence of near-term funding, many Canadian biotechnology firms and their intellectual property could be sold off at discounted prices to large multinational enterprises.

The global recession has placed pressure on a number of other Canadian industries, especially mining and energy. In the past year, non-energy commodity prices fell by more than 31%, and energy commodity prices have fallen by over 57%. In the case of energy, the most significantly affected area is Alberta. Statistics Canada reports that non-residential capital spending there will fall more than 15% this year. This would represent the first such cutback in a decade. The drilling of new wells also has been scaled back, as has the development of large oil sands projects.

Finally, Mr. Chairman, let me close with some good news. Not all industries are facing cyclical and other pressures of the same magnitude. As I mentioned at the beginning, some manufacturing industries, such as pharmaceuticals and electrical and appliance industries, performed reasonably well during 2008. During the last half of 2008, the pharmaceutical industry output increased almost 6%, and the electrical and appliance industry output increased over 2%. Also, most service industries had positive growth in 2008. But even the service sector is not immune to recessionary forces and financing challenges. Canadian retailers, for example, are apparently encountering difficulties in securing credit to finance inventory.

Let me conclude by thanking the chair and members of this committee for providing us with the opportunity to appear before you. I hope this overview will be of some assistance in your deliberations.

Thank you very much.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave Van Kesteren

Mr. Hewett, thank you.

We will begin our first round of questioning with Mr. Garneau for seven minutes.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Marc Garneau Liberal Westmount—Ville-Marie, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you for this presentation. If I can summarize, at least the way I've understood it, certainly the effects of globalization and the value of the Canadian dollar have had a major effect on some of the industries that you've touched on today. But in other cases there seems to be a thread going through what you're saying that applies to a lot of the industries, and that is this question of access to credit and in some cases loan guarantees. Certainly a number of industries have brought that out. I was wondering whether you could expand a little bit more on that specific issue and what measures are being taken to try to make that credit more available.

9:25 a.m.

Director General, Policy and Sector Services Branch, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Billy Hewett

It's clear that the one unified thread through this is challenges in terms of accessing financing. That's true. And that's a situation that is global in nature. Canada is relatively better off than other countries in terms of the health of our financial system. Having said that, there are some challenges, and some gaps have occurred.

In effect, the major thrust of the budget that was announced focused on access to financing through a series of measures, including, and in particular for the manufacturing sector, enhancements to the scope and ability of the EDC and BDC in terms of the size of the access, the range in which they can move, plus EDC's temporary expansion of its mandate into the domestic market in order to be able to provide some of the same types of services domestically that it does for export markets, and in terms of working very closely with the banks in order to coordinate, where possible, access to the financing and to close in some of the gaps left by some of the financial institutions that have withdrawn from the marketplace.

The government has also announced the creation of an asset-backed credit facility to help stimulate demand, in particular in the transportation and auto sector, and there are a number of other financial arrangements being put in place.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

Marc Garneau Liberal Westmount—Ville-Marie, QC

Is it your impression that these measures are now having an effect? Are they of sufficient magnitude?

9:30 a.m.

Director General, Policy and Sector Services Branch, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Billy Hewett

It's very difficult to say across the board. Certainly we are hearing anecdotally of some positive stories about EDC and BDC stepping in to help out, for example, but I'm also aware that the finance committee is holding some discussions and hearings specifically on some of the financial issues, where some of these things will be brought out in more detail from that perspective. I think as you call your witnesses forward from the industry before this committee, you'll hear some real-time and very direct stories.

Last week I attended a half-day session where the Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters pulled together EDC, BDC, and some of the private financial institutions and manufacturers to discuss the measures that are being put in place, how effectively they are being implemented, and what the means are to access those measures. It's clear that there's still more work to go. Part of that dialogue was about making sure that people are aware of what's available and what the existing challenges are. One of the things that EDC emphasized, for example, is that in a number of cases they're actually having to work directly with the banks and the firms on a case-by-case basis to work out financing solutions, because there can be a lot of very particular circumstances, by firm, in the context of some of the larger organizations.

They're also doing some things at a sectoral level for autos and for the oil and gas sector, where there are some particular issues that they're addressing.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

Marc Garneau Liberal Westmount—Ville-Marie, QC

You mentioned ICT and biotechnology as being particularly research-intensive. You also mentioned a certain amount of drying up of venture capital. Certainly the Canadian Venture Capital Association has talked about how, over the past five years, that has diminished here but gone up in the United States, at least to the third quarter of last year.

Is the government doing anything in terms of measures to try to make that venture capital pool larger, since it's so important for these types of companies? I'd also like to hear your views on SR and ED.

9:30 a.m.

Director General, Policy and Sector Services Branch, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Billy Hewett

I'll mention one thing, and then perhaps I'll ask my colleague if he'd like to add something more.

Specifically in terms of venture capital, the BDC is working right now with a budget allocation from last year to try to encourage some additional venture capital funding in the marketplace in terms of a late-stage fund that has some potential benefit for ICT and biotechnology. That's one measure out there.

The government has also announced some enhancements in terms of how SR and ED functions. That dimension is out there as well.

EDC is also looking at some leveraging, if you will, of some of the SR and ED credits across the country outside of Quebec, and working in Quebec with Financement-Québec to help backstop, if you will, or enhance their ability to address some of those issues as well.

Those are a couple of the areas that I'm aware of.

François, anything else? No.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave Van Kesteren

You have another 30 seconds, Mr. Garneau.

9:35 a.m.

Liberal

Marc Garneau Liberal Westmount—Ville-Marie, QC

Okay. Then perhaps I'll come back to this later.

I'd like to pursue the SR and ED issue a little bit further. In order to give you time to answer, I'll pass for now.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave Van Kesteren

Monsieur Bouchard.

9:35 a.m.

Bloc

Robert Bouchard Bloc Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you also to the witnesses for joining us here. You have given us an overview of a fairly widespread problem that affects several industry sectors, namely credit and loan guarantees. Credit conditions are tightening. When businesses try to obtain credit, doors are being closed in their face.

I'd like to focus in particular on wood and paper. Are there any international agreements in place, for example, on softwood lumber, that make it difficult, if not impossible, for businesses to secure loan guarantees?

9:35 a.m.

Director General, Policy and Sector Services Branch, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Billy Hewett

I'm not an expert on the particular arrangements and the rights and obligations embedded within the Canada-U.S. softwood lumber agreement, so I won't comment on the specifics. However, I can indicate that, as members would be aware, the wood products industry is very export-dependent for its markets. There is a long history of market access challenges of this nature. So this is an area that requires a clear understanding.

I would also add that there are perhaps more difficult challenges in terms of pricing arrangements today, credit-related and financing-related, than in normal times. The lack of efficiency in the financial markets is challenging, but the Export Development Corporation, for example, is working with wood product exporters to try to identify where there are opportunities for improved financing of exports and for assistance that can also help to facilitate transactions. They will attempt to do so in a manner that avoids running afoul of concessionary types of arrangements that could cause some trouble down the road.

9:35 a.m.

Bloc

Robert Bouchard Bloc Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Still on the subject of wood and paper, would you say that the wood and paper industry has been harder hit by the current crisis, given that exports to the U.S. market have virtually stopped, as you noted earlier, and given the cost of the resource as well? Would you say this sector has been especially hard hit?

I have another question for you. Have you any idea of the consequences on the employment front if these businesses do not get help in the form of loan guarantees? Can you describe that scenario to us? You stated that from 2000 to 2008, recessionnary pressures and job losses have been staggering. Would you care to make a projection as to what lies in store for the coming months or year if the situation continues and help is not forthcoming?

9:35 a.m.

Director General, Policy and Sector Services Branch, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Billy Hewett

There's no doubt that the wood and wood products industry is one of the most severely affected sectors. They are among others, however; the auto sector and the wood sector are clearly facing some significant challenges, and so are a number of the industries that spread around them.

The solutions for each aren't necessarily identical. As I indicated before, and as we hear from the wood products industry itself, they are very dependent on access to export markets and market diversification, and that can constrain the nature of support that can be provided by government in order to meet the long-term growth prospects of the sector.

We hear from the wood products industry that they are looking at a long-term future that does have opportunities embedded within it. A number of measures announced in the budget attempted to get at and address, or contribute to, facilities such as FPInnovations, for example, through some innovation-related research. There is some export market development funding to assist with exploiting and accessing diverse markets so that when global demand does recover, there will be opportunities to take advantage of that and to continue to work with the industry, and as I mentioned, there are the financing provisions within the budget.

9:40 a.m.

Bloc

Robert Bouchard Bloc Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Still on the subject of wood, you maintain that this sector would be able to weather the crisis if exports and the world market recovered. Are there not other possible solutions, such as increasing demand in Canada and Quebec or encouraging people to carry out projects or do renovations that require the use of more lumber? The government could set an example by increasing its use of wood, instead of looking to other solutions.

Assistance could also come in the form of programs. Energy could be produced using wood waste left behind when the trees are felled. Perhaps this could be a job creation initiative. More wood could be used in Quebec and in Canada. Do you not see this as one possible solution to the problem?

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave Van Kesteren

Could you answer very quickly, Mr. Hewett? Our time has gone.

9:40 a.m.

Director General, Policy and Sector Services Branch, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Billy Hewett

I'm not an expert on the specific programs that would apply directly to the wood industry. Rather, what I was remiss in not saying earlier is that in the context of the broader array of measures implemented by the government and announced and being implemented now through the budget, this includes also stimulus intended to stimulate in the construction sector, infrastructure-related pieces, and home renovation.

Also, whether they are commodity-oriented businesses or other very highly value-added businesses, firms that are adding more value, putting out product mixes, and utilizing more of the log, for example, are finding opportunities relative to the competition to make sales and to contribute to customer solutions in that regard, so there are some opportunities there. Not all of the production goes to export. A significant portion does stay at home, so in terms of some of the adjustment for workers and communities, the stimulus packages, and the credits for construction, we would look for some benefit there as well.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave Van Kesteren

Thank you, Mr. Hewett.

Mr. Lake.

9:40 a.m.

François Delorme Chief Economist and Director General, Micro-Economic Policy Analysis Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry

May I briefly add to that?

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave Van Kesteren

We'll give him another chance. He'll have another round; maybe he can go back to it.

He's over his time, so I think maybe we'll allow Mr. Bouchard to pick it up next time.

Mr. Lake.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The graphs on pages 4 and 5 of the PowerPoint slides are on percentage change in real GDP and then percentage change in employment, industry by industry. I'm curious about the actual, real changes in GDP and employment, the actual numbers. Would there be some areas of this graph that, because of large employment numbers or large GDP numbers, would look very different if we were talking about real numbers as opposed to percentages?

9:45 a.m.

Director General, Policy and Sector Services Branch, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Billy Hewett

Yes. I was just looking for a copy of something I had that might have some of those percentages identified.

You're quite right that this graph is identifying percentage changes, and not all industries are starting from the same base. For example, wood products, motor vehicles, aerospace, and a number of others have more size to them, such that for any given equal percentage fall, the actual number will be greater.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

The ones you are identifying are motor vehicles, aerospace....