Mr. Thibeault, if I could interject here, I have been talking with the Forest Products Association of Canada about this issue. It is a recently emerging issue.
The thought process we have right now is that the parliamentarians, the government, can approach the U.S. government to start the dialogue on the ramifications of this program, both from a trade aspect and from an environmental aspect.
I don't know that you're going to get very far. What Mr. Arsenault didn't mention is that the stimulus bill that passed just recently in the U.S. has been the thing that triggered the pulp guys to be able to get in on this program. So it is a trade issue.
There are companies on the south side of the border who also understand that this is not a sustainable program. It doesn't fit into the renewable energy focus that we have. So if we can get the Canadian government and the U.S. government and the parts of the industry that are the coalition of the willing to sit down and put this in a context of what it should look like, instead of what it does look like, then you could design programs that work on both sides of the border.
So this thing needs a light. It is so egregious that even shining the light of day on it might get the U.S. administration to say hold on a second, what are we doing here.
But more importantly, we need the collaborative U.S., Canadian, and industry approach to this. I think that's what FPAC is going to do. As Mr. Garneau mentioned earlier, we do need to get on top of this. We need to bring it to you, and we are starting to work on that. I think it is fair to say that we will coalesce across the country on this one.
One thing that doesn't get mentioned is that this prejudices the ground wood producers even more, because they don't create black liquor. So they have no ability whatsoever to access this, even if we were to go to some kind of tit-for-tat--we'll subsidize here if you're going to subsidize there.
As Mr. Arsenault said, we're not trying to match subsidies. It's just a losing game.