Well, it definitely is an issue. We're faced with the same demographic issues that Jay is faced with. Fortunately, Alberta is a good place to work. Our plants are in places such as Prentiss and Joffrey, where our labour force is extremely stable. They're attractive communities to live in; they're relatively low-cost communities.
We don't employ huge numbers of people. A plant is a pretty high-tech affair, with engineers and operators who are very highly educated and very highly paid. As far as the skills problem is concerned, I know a lot of industries face an issue, but our members have not asked us to be involved in the skills problem. They think they can solve it without the need of an association.
Now, if you add the upgrader issue, that does add—