The decision to close any facility is a very difficult one for a company. Our companies are well aware of the difficulties it creates for their employees and for the communities they live in.
When we look at the Scandinavian example, one of the things the Scandinavian countries did in the early 1990s and through the 1990s was to consolidate and rationalize their production into larger, more efficient, more productive mills, which they're benefiting from today. That is a step they took that has proved for them to be a contributor to their competitiveness and to their overall employment in the sector.
But certainly we see this every day. Our companies live this. They don't take these decisions lightly. They would certainly be happier to be in a better financial position and be able to keep more facilities running.