Then the question would not be so much on refinery...but I would like to make a couple of acknowledgments to help Mr. Arthur.
And perhaps, Mr. Cleland, you could help us a bit on this.
I have today, as of about an hour ago, the various rack prices or wholesale prices for energy. And they do vary. In Quebec, for instance--and Mr. Baily alluded to this--the price of refined gasoline in Montreal is about 48.3¢ a litre, and that's before taxes, for the same type and quality of gasoline. If you're living in London, Ontario, where Mr. Shipley comes from--not quite, but very close to that region--you find that the price of gasoline is at 1.6¢ a litre more. There is this variation and fluctuation, but by regions there seems to be a tremendous amount of control for prices. No one challenges those prices.
Given the profits that are being made, and the fairly substantial wholesale profits over and above what we see in the United States at any given time, four or five cents a litre, provable today, from New York.... Mr. Baily wasn't able to answer that question, and I appreciate you may not be able to.
What, in your mind, do you think needs to be done to try to bring some degree of competition to that sector of the marketplace, given these substantial and rather important controls of prices that we're seeing in regions across the country?