That's a difficult question to answer. In the manufacturing sector, if business says you can make a better profit offshore, it's private enterprise and they have a right to do that.
People want quality in their products. When you're looking at the manufacturing sector, what we have to appreciate is that we have to keep the intellectual properties here in Canada. We actually had a gentleman speak at our economic conference who was basically saying the exact same thing. He holds the intellectual properties on his manufacturing product. He can maybe take it offshore, but he still holds the intellectual property; he's not selling that, but keeping it. That's the way he remains competitive against China and the other foreign countries that are competing against him.
So I think we have to be innovative in Canada. If manufacturers are closing their doors because they're not competitive, it's probably from the fact they're not trying to be innovative and competitive, which brings in the comment Mr. Paterson made in regard to the UOIT. With the Beacon Project being done at the university, they're allowing not only the manufacturers of the automobile, but also all of the suppliers.... Those suppliers may not necessarily just be producing an automotive part, because I know several tier-two and tier-three suppliers in Oshawa who not only produce automotive parts, but also are being smart enough in their industry sector to be pulling off other products. There's one business here in Oshawa, for example, that does aluminum parts for the automotive sector and that took its ingenuity and design and is now producing aluminum docks for cottages. So they're taking their innovation and intellectual properties and understanding where they're going and saying okay, if I can do this in the automotive sector and keep being competitive and keep upgrading my products through research and development and innovation, what else can I do when I'm in a slow time, or how else can I add to my product? And they take a look at another design.
We have another industry here in Oshawa that was producing light parts for automobiles, which also ended up producing all the lockers for schools, though they're no longer around at this point. We can do this, they said, but we can also do something else.
So we have the smarts to do it.